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Chávez Dies, Leaving Venezuela a Divided Nation

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 11:06 am
BUMP
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 12:03 pm
@JTT,
JTT you could have provided the info without the insults. I asked a simple question. What an asshole!

That winning attitude you have is really going to win people over to your side. Have you ever tried reading "How to Win Friends & Influence People"?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 12:13 pm
@Baldimo,
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JTT you could have provided the info without the insults. I asked a simple question. What an asshole!


The ignorance is just so appalling, Baldimo. Notice the dearth of Americans stepping up to the plate to bring you up to date on the long history of US terrorism and war crimes.

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That winning attitude you have is really going to win people over to your side. Have you ever tried reading "How to Win Friends & Influence People"?


I don't need or want people on my side. The facts should be way more than enough to open people's eyes.

When you consider the deep evil that successive US governments have committed, that the facts don't get a more positive response should clue you in to who the real assholes are.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 12:19 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

The Venezuelians have it better than when there was a military dictatorship and the Cubans have it better than when the mafia controlled Cuba. If our politicians would have just left them alone after the changes and just traded with them we would have all been better off.


Nonsense. Chavez came to power by overthrowing an elected civilian government in a military coup. The military dictatorship was his. He subsequently remained in power through rigged elections and the continued support of the military. By all measurable (and readily available) economic statistics Venezuels is far less well off today than it was when Chaves seized power. That this had occurred to a nation with the world's largest petroleum reserves and during a period of fast rising oil prices is apt testimony to the "benefits" of Chavez' rule.

Cuba is poorer now than in was under Batista. Income distribution now is however far more uniform. All the slaves on the Castro plantation are poor. Cuba doesn't produce enough economically to trade on an equal basis with any nation,much less the United States. They don't produce enough of anything to seel abroad and they don't have the money to buy our goods - or those of any other nation.

Both countries have suffered the loss of their freedom and democratic political rights.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 12:52 pm
@georgeob1,
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Cuba is poorer now than in was under Batista. Income distribution now is however far more uniform. All the slaves on the Castro plantation are poor. Cuba doesn't produce enough economically to trade on an equal basis with any nation,much less the United States. They don't produce enough of anything to seel abroad and they don't have the money to buy our goods - or those of any other nation.


What abysmal ignorance! Trade with the US!! How do you trade with a country that has had an embargo on you for years? How do you trade with a country that you have committed vicious terrorist acts against for over fifty years?

This from a guy who spent his early years helping the US government commit war crimes against the people of Vietnam. All he did was act as a terrorist for the US government against those same people.

Did you also get in on bombing Cambodia and Laos, Gob1?

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U.S. Aggression & Propaganda Against Cuba

Why the unrelieved U.S. antagonism toward Cuba?

by Michael Parenti

Z magazine, September 2004





In recent times, U.S.-Cuban relations have gone from bad to worse. Under the Administration of George W. Bush, the U.S. boycott has been more stringently imposed. Anti-government agitation within Cuba has been financed and directed by the U.S. interest section in Havana. State Department restrictions on travel to the island have become tighter than ever. Most ominously of all, in early 2003 U.S. pundits began openly talking about invading Cuba-a discussion that was temporarily put on hold only after the invasion of Iraq proved so costly.

For over four decades Washington policymakers have treated Cuba with unrelieved antagonism. U.S. rulers and their faithful acolytes in the major media have propagated every sort of misrepresentation to mislead the world as regards their policy of aggression toward Cuba. Why?

Defending Global Capitalism

in June 1959, some five months after the triumph of the Cuban Revolution, the Havana government promulgated an agrarian reform law that provided for state appropriation of large private landholdings. Under this law, U.S. sugar corporations eventually lost about 1,666,000 acres of choice land and many millions of dollars in future cash-crop exports. The following year, President Dwight Eisenhower, citing Havana's "hostility" toward the United States, cut Cuba's sugar quota by about 95 percent, in effect imposing a total boycott on publicly produced Cuban sugar. Three months later, in October 1959, the Cuban government nationalized all banks and large commercial and industrial enterprises, including the many that belonged to U.S. firms.

Cuba's move away from a free-market system dominated by U.S. firms and toward a not-for-profit socialist economy caused it to become the target of an unremitting series of attacks perpetrated by the U.S. national security state. These attacks included U.S.-sponsored sabotage, espionage, terrorism, hijackings, trade sanctions, embargo, and outright invasion. The purpose behind this aggression was to undermine the Revolution and deliver Cuba safely back to the tender mercies of global capitalism.

The U.S. policy toward Cuba has been consistent with its longstanding policy of trying to subvert any country that pursues an alternative path in the use of its land, labor, capital, markets, and natural resources. Any nation or political movement that emphasizes self-development, egalitarian human services, and public ownership is condemned as an enemy and targeted for sanctions or other forms of attack. In contrast, the countries deemed "friendly toward America" and "pro-West" are those that leave themselves at the disposal of large U.S. investors on terms that are totally favorable to the moneyed corporate interests.

Of course, this is not what U.S. rulers tell the people of North America. As early as July 1960, the White House charged that Cuba was "hostile" to the United States (despite the Cuban government's repeated overtures for normal friendly relations). The Castro government, in Eisenhower's words, was "dominated by international communism." U.S. officials repeatedly charged that the island government was a cruel dictatorship and that the United States had no choice but to try "restoring" Cuban liberty.

U.S. rulers never explained why they were so suddenly concerned about the freedoms of the Cuban people. In the two decades before the Revolution, successive Administrations in Washington manifested no opposition to the brutally repressive autocracy headed by General Fulgencio Batista. Quite the contrary, they sent him military aid, did a vigorous business with him, and treated him well in every other way. The significant but unspoken difference between Castro and Batista was that Batista, a comprador ruler, left Cuba wide open to U.S. capital penetration. In contrast, Castro and his revolutionary movement did away with private corporate control of the economy, nationalized U.S. holdings, and renovated the class structure toward a more collectivized and egalitarian mode.

Needless to say, the U.S. method of mistreatment has been applied to other countries besides Cuba. Numerous potentially dissident regimes that have asked for friendly relations have been met with abuse and aggression from Washington: Vietnam, Chile (under Allende), Mozambique, Angola,

Cambodia, Nicaragua (under the Sandinistas), Panama (under Torrijo), Grenada (under the New Jewel Movement), Yugoslavia (under Milosevic), Haiti (under Aristide), Venezuela (under Chavez), and numerous others.

The U.S. modus operandi is:

* heap criticism on the targeted government for imprisoning the butchers, assassins, terrorists, and torturers of the previous U.S.-backed reactionary regime

* denounce the revolutionary or reformist government as "totalitarian" for failing to immediately institute Western-style, electoral politics

* launch ad hominem attacks upon the leader, labeling him or her as fanatical, brutal, repressive, genocidal, power hungry, or even mentally imbalanced

* denounce the country as a threat to regional peace and stability

* harass, destabilize, and impose economic sanctions to cripple its economy

* attack it with surrogate forces, trained, equipped, and financed by the U.S. and led by members of the former regime, or even with regular U.S. armed forces

Manipulating Public Opinion

How the corporate-owned capitalist press has served in the crusade against Cuba tells us a lot about why the U.S. public is so misinformed about issues relating to that country. Following the official White House line, the corporate news media regularly denies that the United States harbors aggressive designs against Cuba or any other government. The stance taken against Cuba, it was said, was simply a defense against communist aggrandizement. Cuba was repeatedly condemned as a tool of Soviet aggression and expansionism. But now that the Soviet Union no longer exists, Cuba is still treated as a mortal enemy. U.S. acts of aggression-including armed invasion-continue to be magically transformed into acts of defense.

Consider the Bay of Pigs. In April 1961, about 1,600 right-wing Cuban ëmigrés, trained and financed by the CIA, and assisted by hundreds of U.S. "advisors," invaded Cuba. In the words of one of their leaders, Manuel de Varona (as quoted in the New York Daily News, January 8, 1961), their intent was to overthrow Castro and set up "a provisional government" that "will restore all properties to the rightful owners." Reports of the impending invasion circulated widely throughout Central America. In the United States, however, few people were informed. The mounting evidence of an impending invasion was suppressed by the Associated Press and United Press International and by all the major newspapers and newsweeklies-in an impressively unanimous act of self-censorship.

Fidel Castro's accusation that U.S. rulers were planning to invade Cuba was dismissed by the New York Times as "shrill... anti-American propaganda," and by Time magazine as Castro's "continued tawdry little melodrama of invasion." When Washington broke diplomatic relations with Cuba in January 1961, the New York Times explained, "What snapped U.S. patience was a new propaganda offense from Havana charging that the U.S. was plotting an 'imminent invasion' of Cuba." In fact, the Bay of Pigs invasion proved to be something more than a figment of Fidel Castro's imagination.

Such is the predominance of the anti-communist orthodoxy in U.S. public life that, after the Bay of Pigs, there was a total lack of critical discussion among U.S. political figures and media commentators regarding the moral and legal impropriety of the invasion. Instead, commentary focused exclusively on tactical questions. There were repeated references to the disappointing "fiasco" and "disastrous attempt" and the need to free Cuba from the "communist yoke." It was never acknowledged that the invasion failed not because of "insufficient air coverage," as some of the invaders claimed, but because the Cuban people, instead of rising to join the counterrevolutionary expeditionary force as anticipated by U.S. leaders, closed ranks behind their Revolution.

Among the Cuban-exile invaders taken prisoner near the Bay of Pigs (according to the Cuban government) were people whose families between them had previously owned in Cuba 914,859 acres of land, 9,666 houses, 70 factories, 5 mines, 2 banks, and 10 sugar mills. They were the scions of the privileged propertied class of pre-revolutionary Cuba, coming back to reclaim their substantial holdings. But in the U.S. media they were represented as dedicated champions of liberty-who had lived so comfortably and uncomplainingly under the Batista dictatorship.

Why would the Cuban people stand by the "Castro dictatorship?" That was never explained in the United States. Not a word appeared in the U.S. press about the advances made by Cubans under the Revolution, the millions who for the first time had access to education, literacy, medical care, decent housing, jobs with adequate pay and good work conditions, and a host of other public services-all of which are far from perfect, but still offer a better life than the free-market misery endured under the U.S. -Batista régime.

Because of the U.S. embargo, Cuba has the highest import-export tonnage costs of any country in the world, having to buy its school buses and medical supplies from Japan and other far-off places. Better relations with the U.S. would bring the Cubans more trade, technology, and tourism, and the chance to cut their defense expenditures. Yet Havana's overtures for friendlier relations have been repeatedly rebuffed by successive administrations in Washington.

If the U.S. government justifies its hostility on the grounds that Cuba is hostile toward the United States, what becomes the justification when the Cuban government tries to be friendly? The response is to emphasize the negative. Even when reporting the cordial overtures made by Cuba, U.S. media pundits and Washington policymakers perpetuate the stereotype of a sinister "Marxist regime" as the manipulative aggressor. On August 1, 1984 the New York Times ran a "news analysis" headlined "What's Behind Castro's Softer Tone." The headline suggested that Castro was up to something. The opening sentence read, "Once again Fidel Castro is talking as if he wants to improve relations with the United States" ("as if" not actually). According to the Times, Castro was interested in "taking advantage" of U.S. trade, technology, and tourism and would "prefer not to be spending so much time and energy on national defense." Here seemed to be a promising basis for improved relations. Fidel Castro was saying that Cuba's own self-interest rested on friendlier diplomatic and economic ties with Washington and not, as the United States claimed, on military buildups and aggressive confrontations. Nevertheless, the Times analysis made nothing of Castro's stated desire to ease tensions and instead presented the rest of the story from the U. S. government's perspective. It noted that most Washington officials "seem skeptical .... The Administration continues to believe that the best way to deal with the Cuban leader is with unyielding firmness .... Administration officials see little advantage in wavering."

The article did not explain what justified this "skeptical" stance or why a blanket negative response to Castro should be described as "unyielding firmness" rather than, say, "unyielding rigidity." Nor did it say why a willingness to respond seriously to his overture must be labeled "wavering." The impression is that the power-hungry Castro was out to get something from us but our leaders weren't about to be taken in. There was no explanation of what the United States had to lose if it entered friendlier relations with Cuba.

In short, the U.S. stance is immune to evidence. If the Cubans condemn U.S. aggressions, this is proof of their hostility and diabolic design. If they act in a friendly manner and ask for negotiated settlements, showing a willingness to make concessions, then it is assumed they are up to something and are resorting to deceptively manipulative ploys. The U.S. position is nonfalsifiable: both A and not-A become proof of the same thing.

Double Standard "Democracy"

U.S. policymakers have long condemned Cuba for its controlled press. The Cubans, we are told, are subjected to a totalitarian indoctrination and do not enjoy the diverse and open discourse that is said to be found in the "free and independent" U.S. media. In fact, the average Cuban has more access to Western news sources than the average U.S. citizen has to Cuban sources. The same was true of the former Soviet Union. In 1985 Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev pointed out that U.S. television programs, movies, books, music, and magazines were in relative abundance in the USSR compared to the almost nonexistent supply of Soviet films and publications in the United States. He offered to stop jamming Voice of America broadcasts to his country if Washington would allow normal frequency transmission of Radio Moscow to the U.S., an offer the U.S. government declined.

Likewise, Cuba is bombarded with U.S. broadcasting, including Voice of America, regular Spanish-language stations from Miami, and a U.S. -sponsored propaganda station called "Radio Marti." Havana has asked that Cuba be allowed a frequency for Cuban use in the United States, something Washington has refused to do. In response to those who attack the lack of dissent in the Cuban media, Fidel Castro has promised to open up the Cuban press to all opponents of the Revolution on the day he saw U.S. Communists enjoying regular access to the U.S. major media. Needless to say, U.S. rulers have never taken up the offer.

Cuba has also been condemned for not allowing its people to flee the island. That so many want to leave Cuba is treated as proof that Cuban socialism is a harshly repressive system, rather than that the U.S. embargo has made life difficult in Cuba. That so many millions more want to leave capitalist countries like Mexico, Nigeria, Poland, El Salvador, Philippines, South Korea, Macedonia, and others too numerous to list is never treated as grounds for questioning the free-market system that inflicts such misery on the Third World.

In accordance with an agreement between Havana and Washington, the Cuban government allowed people to leave for the United States if they had a U. S. visa. Washington had agreed to issue 20,000 visas a year, but granted few, preferring to incite illegal departures and reap the propaganda value. Cubans who fled illegally on small crafts or hijacked vessels and planes were hailed as heroes who had risked their lives to flee Castro's tyranny and were granted asylum in the U.S. When Havana announced it would let anyone leave who wanted to, the Clinton administration reverted to a closed door policy, fearing an immigration tide. Now policymakers voiced concerns that the escape of too many disgruntled refugees would help Castro stay in power by easing tensions within Cuban society. Cuba is condemned for not allowing its citizens to leave and then for allowing them to leave.

Lacking a class perspective, all sorts of experts come to conclusions about Cuba based on surface appearances. While attending a World Affairs Council meeting in San Francisco, I heard some participants refer to the irony of Cuba's having come "full circle" since the days before the Revolution. In pre-revolutionary Cuba, the best hotels and shops were reserved for foreigners and the relatively few Cubans who had U.S. dollars. Today, it is the same, these experts gleefully observed.

This judgment overlooks some important differences. Strapped for hard currency, the revolutionary government decided to take advantage of its beautiful beaches and sunny climate to develop a tourist industry. Today, tourism is one of Cuba's most important sources of hard currency income, if not the most important. True, tourists are given accommodations that most Cubans cannot afford. But in pre-revolutionary Cuba, the profits from tourism were pocketed by corporations, generals, gamblers, and mobsters. Today the profits are split between the foreign investors who build and manage the hotels and the Cuban government. The portion going to the government helps pay for health clinics, education, machinery, the importation of fuel, and the like. In other words, the people reap much of the benefits of the tourist trade-as is true of the export earnings from Cuban sugar, coffee, tobacco, rum, seafood, honey, nickel, and marble.

If Cuba were in exactly the same place as before the Revolution, completely under client-state servitude, Washington would have lifted the embargo and embraced Havana, as it has done to some degree with China and Vietnam-both of whom are energetically encouraging the growth of a low-wage, private investment sector. When the Cuban government no longer utilizes the public sector to redistribute a major portion of the surplus to the population, when it allows the surplus wealth to be pocketed by a few rich corporate owners, and when it returns the factories and lands to an opulent owning class-as the former communist countries of Eastern Europe have done-then it will have come full circle, returning to a privatized, free-market, client-state servitude. Only then will it be warmly embraced by Washington.

In 1994, I wrote a letter to Representative Lee Hamilton, chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, urging a normalization of relations with Cuba. He wrote back that U.S. policy toward Cuba should be "updated" in order to be more effective and that "we must put Cuba in contact with the ideas and practice of democracy... and the economic benefits of a free market system." The embargo, Hamilton went on, was put in place to "promote democratic change in Cuba and retaliate for the large-scale seizure of American assets by the Castro regime."

Needless to say, Hamilton did not explain why his own government-which had supported a pre-revolutionary dictatorship in Cuba for generations-was now so insistent on installing U.S.-style democracy on the island. The revealing thing in his letter was his acknowledgment that Washington's policy was dedicated to advancing the cause of the "free market system" and retaliating for the "large-scale seizure of American assets."

Those who do not believe that U.S. rulers are consciously dedicated to the propagation of capitalism should note how policymakers explicitly press for "free-market reforms" in one country after another (including today in Serbia and Iraq). We no longer have to impute such intentions to them. Almost all their actions and-with increasing frequency-their own words testify to what they have been doing. When forced to choose between democracy without capitalism or capitalism without democracy, U.S. rulers unhesitatingly embrace the latter-although they also prefer the legitimating cloak of a limited and well-controlled "democracy" when possible.

All this should remind us that the greatest enemies of peace and democracy are not in Havana; they are in Washington.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Caribbean/US_Aggression_Cuba.html
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 01:45 pm
@Baldimo,
The only thing he studies is how too be an ass.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 03:19 pm
@JTT,
I don't agree with your assessment. I have seen you post long enough that I know your gig. I have read a lot of what you post as terrorism and misdeeds done by the US. You rally about how awful the US is. You blindly look at what the US does and see no good.

Did you know I spent 5 months in Pakistan back in 05-06 after the earthquakes. I spent 7 days a week 12-15 hours a day keeping helicopters flying so we could keep Pakistani people from freezing and starving to death. My US Army military unit was solely responsibility for saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Pakistani people.

You dwell on the negative and can't see any positive. What country do you think we should all strive to be like?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 05:25 pm
@Baldimo,
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I don't agree with your assessment. I have seen you post long enough that I know your gig. I have read a lot of what you post as terrorism and misdeeds done by the US. You rally about how awful the US is. You blindly look at what the US does and see no good.


Yours is the typical gig that comes from many quarters when faced with the facts regarding US war crimes and terrorism. "My assessment" is backed up by voluminous facts.

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You rally about how awful the US is. You blindly look at what the US does and see no good.


The US is in no need of me trumpeting for it. The propaganda regarding how fine and decent and moral the US is comes from all quarters in an incessant stream.

But it's false when measured against the pure evil that the US has done. Ten million dead at the hands of the US just since WWII does speak of a good USA.

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Did you know I spent 5 months in Pakistan back in 05-06 after the earthquakes. I spent 7 days a week 12-15 hours a day keeping helicopters flying so we could keep Pakistani people from freezing and starving to death. My US Army military unit was solely responsibility for saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Pakistani people.


Good on ya and them, Baldimo.

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What country do you think we should all strive to be like?


Like the mythical USA, not the lying hypocritical one.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 07:04 pm
@JTT,
Pure evil? I guess if you look at numbers only the US looks pretty bad. That is until you compare the death toll of Communism. The USSR killed about 20 million or more when it was trying to spread across the world. 20 million is just Russia that doesn't include China and Cuba and any other Communist "rebel". How many people did your hero Che Guevara kill before he was taken out.

Now I know 2 wrongs don't make a right but I would rather live in the country I live in with the freedoms I have then risk having to attend a political reeducation camp because the politburo doesn't like how I think.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 07:18 pm
@Baldimo,
Thank you and your unit for doing that, Baldimo.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 07:50 pm
@ossobuco,
It was my pleasure to do it. When we were there, the most popular toy in Islamabad was toy Chinook. It was cool to drive through the streets and see the kids running along with their little Chinooks. Warmed the heart and we might have created some little Hookers along the way. (Hooker is a term used to describe those who work in the Chinook community. Once a hooker always a hooker!)
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 08:10 pm
@Baldimo,
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Pure evil?


Yup, pure, unadulterated evil. A lot of people still think the US is the good guy, when history shows that to be one of the biggest lies of all time.

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Now I know 2 wrongs don't make a right but I would rather live in the country I live in with the freedoms I have then risk having to attend a political reeducation camp because the politburo doesn't like how I think.


Why wouldn't you want that same right for everyone? Why do you make excuses for a country that has never done what they constantly brag about doing?

The US never invaded countries to free people who were oppressed. They invaded countries in order to oppress people so that their wealth could be stolen from them. The US trains terrorists in the US to go back to their countries to one day become the US's dictator.

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How many people did your hero Che Guevara kill before he was taken out.


He should be a hero to you, Baldimo. He helped liberate people from the oppressive rule of the US. Do you only like liberation when it's for you and your kind?

I'm not sure but I can give you the figures for the people Reagan, Eisenhower, Nixon, Bush, Bush, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, ... slaughtered. Would you like those?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 08:47 pm
@JTT,
You already stated it was 10 million since WWII.

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Ten million dead at the hands of the US just since WWII does speak of a good USA.


Although I'm going to guess that your numbers are skewed and there will be blame for things the US didn't do, but allowed to do or assisted in. I'm sure you blame the deaths of civilian Iraqi's or Afghans on the US as well even though it was terrorists who committed the acts.

When I was deployed to Afghanistan I was stationed at a FOB for a few weeks. Not long after I got there the local governor was killed in a terrorist attack, he was blown up or shot up I don't recall. When they had his funeral there were a lot of people around and some guy walked in with a vest on and blew himself up. It was so bad that the local hospital couldn't handle all the wounded and they had to ship them to us at the FOB. They came in by ambulance and before we could help them we had have them searched and cleared before they could even get a triage done. We carried a lot of people into tents that day.

I don't know what you have done or seen in your life but I have seen first hand the things I consider horrible and evil. I have seen the results with my own eyes the damage inflicted on people by evil men. It seems you have only read about the things others have done. I'm not going to complain about the damage inflicted on the US military by terrorists because I see the military as a legitimate target. I've been shot out while flying in a blackhawk and been on a base that was mortared over 70 times in 7 months. I have never complained about it except that they interrupted my sleep, dirty bastards like to hit ya when you're sleeping.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 09:06 pm
@Baldimo,
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When I was deployed to Afghanistan I was stationed at a FOB for a few weeks.


You took part in the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. That is the ultimate war crime.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 10:20 pm
@JTT,
That is where we will have to agree to disagree. I'm guessing you are one of those 9-11 truthers?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2013 03:58 am
@Baldimo,
You can disagree all you want, Baldimo. The facts are the facts. And y'all are experts at dancing around the facts.

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SUNDAY, DECEMBER 20, 2009
Obama's Af-Pak War is Illegal
President Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize nine days after he announced he would send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. His escalation of that war is not what the Nobel committee envisioned when it sought to encourage him to make peace, not war.

In 1945, in the wake of two wars that claimed millions of lives, the nations of the world created the United Nations system to “save succeeding generations from the scourge of war.” The UN Charter is based on the principles of international peace and security as well as the protection of human rights. But the United States, one of the founding members of the UN, has often flouted the commands of the charter, which is part of US law under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution.

Although the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was as illegal as the invasion of Iraq, many Americans saw it as a justifiable response to the attacks of September 11, 2001. The cover of Time magazine called it "The Right War." Obama campaigned on ending the Iraq war but escalating the war in Afghanistan. But a majority of Americans now oppose that war as well.

The UN Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan.

“Operation Enduring Freedom” was not legitimate self-defense under the charter because the 9/11 attacks were crimes against humanity, not “armed attacks” by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers hailed from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after 9/11, or President Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign. The necessity for self-defense must be “instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation.” This classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the UN General Assembly.

Bush's justification for attacking Afghanistan was that it was harboring Osama bin Laden and training terrorists, even though bin Laden did not claim responsibility for the 9/11 attacks until 2004. After Bush demanded that the Taliban turn over bin Laden to the United States, the Taliban’s ambassador to Pakistan said his government wanted proof that bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attacks before deciding whether to extradite him, according to the Washington Post. That proof was not forthcoming, the Taliban did not deliver bin Laden, and Bush began bombing Afghanistan.

Bush’s rationale for attacking Afghanistan was spurious. Iranians could have made the same argument to attack the United States after they overthrew the vicious Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1979 and the U.S. gave him safe haven. If the new Iranian government had demanded that the U.S. turn over the Shah and we refused, would it have been lawful for Iran to invade the United States? Of course not.

When he announced his troop “surge” in Afghanistan, Obama invoked the 9/11 attacks. By continuing and escalating Bush’s war in Afghanistan, Obama, too, is violating the UN Charter. In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, Obama declared that he has the "right" to wage wars "unilaterally.” The unilateral use of military force, however, is illegal unless undertaken in self-defense.

Those who conspired to hijack airplanes and kill thousands of people on 9/11 are guilty of crimes against humanity. They must be identified and brought to justice in accordance with the law. But retaliation by invading Afghanistan was not the answer. It has lead to growing U.S. and Afghan casualties, and has incurred even more hatred against the United States.

Conspicuously absent from the national discourse is a political analysis of why the tragedy of 9/11 occurred. We need to have that debate and construct a comprehensive strategy to overhaul U.S. foreign policy to inoculate us from the wrath of those who despise American imperialism. The "global war on terror" has been uncritically accepted by most in this country. But terrorism is a tactic, not an enemy. One cannot declare war on a tactic. The way to combat terrorism is by identifying and targeting its root causes, including poverty, lack of education, and foreign occupation.

In his declaration that he would send 30,000 additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan, Obama made scant reference to Pakistan. But his CIA has used more unmanned Predator drones against Pakistan than Bush. There are estimates that these robots have killed several hundred civilians. Most Pakistanis oppose them. A Gallup poll conducted in Pakistan last summer found 67% opposed and only 9% in favor. Notably, a majority of Pakistanis ranked the United States as a greater threat to Pakistan than the Taliban or Pakistan’s arch-rival India.

Many countries use drones for surveillance, but only the United States and Israel have used them for strikes. Scott Shane wrote in the New York Times, “For the first time in history, a civilian intelligence agency is using robots to carry out a military mission, selecting people for targeted killings in a country where the United States is not officially at war.”

The use of these drones in Pakistan violates both the UN Charter and the Geneva Conventions, which prohibit willful killing. Targeted or political assassinations—sometimes called extrajudicial executions—are carried out by order of, or with the acquiescence of, a government, outside any judicial framework. As a 1998 report from the UN Special Rapporteur noted, “extrajudicial executions can never be justified under any circumstances, not even in time of war.” Willful killing is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions, punishable as a war crime under the U.S. War Crimes Act. Extrajudicial executions also violate a longstanding U.S. policy. In the 1970s, after the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence disclosed that the CIA had been involved in several murders or attempted murders of foreign leaders, President Gerald Ford issued an executive order banning assassinations. Although there have been exceptions to this policy, every succeeding president until George W. Bush reaffirmed that order.

Obama is trying to make up for his withdrawal from Iraq by escalating the war on Afghanistan. He is acting like Lyndon Johnson, who rejected Defense Secretary Robert McNamara’s admonition about Vietnam because LBJ was “more afraid of the right than the left,” McNamara said in a 2007 interview with Bob Woodward published in the Washington Post.

Approximately 30% of all U.S. deaths in Afghanistan have occurred during Obama’s presidency. The cost of the war, including the 30,000 new troops he just ordered, will be about $100 billion a year. That money could better be used for building schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and creating jobs and funding health care in the United States.

Many congressional Democrats are uncomfortable with Obama’s decision to send more troops to Afghanistan. We must encourage them to hold firm and refuse to fund this war. And the left needs to organize and demonstrate to Obama that we are a force with which he must contend.

http://www.marjoriecohn.com/2009/12/obamas-af-pak-war-is-illegal.html
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2013 04:00 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:

Rules of Disengagement [Paperback]
Marjorie Cohn (Author), Kathleen Gilberd (Author)

Rules of Disengagement examines the reasons men and women in the military have disobeyed orders and resisted the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It takes readers into the courtroom where sailors, soldiers, and Marines have argued that these wars are illegal under international law and unconstitutional under U.S. law. Through the voices of active duty service members and veterans, it explores the growing conviction among our troops that the wars are wrong. While the Obama Administration’s pledge to remove all American troops from Iraq by the end of 2011 is encouraging – and in no small way likely attributable to resistance by our armed forces – it continues to fight in Afghanistan, and the military may soon have a heightened presence elsewhere in the Middle East and in Africa. As such, Rules of Disengagement provides inspiration and lessons for anyone who opposes an interventionist U.S. military policy.


http://www.amazon.com/Rules-Disengagement-Politics-Military-Dissent/dp/0981576923/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246914398&sr=8-1
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2013 04:09 am
@Baldimo,
Two million people had been killed [in Vietnam]. The equivalent of a 500-pound bomb had been dropped on the country for every citizen. Ninety-thousand tons of carcinogenic and toxic materials had been dropped on the country, some of which would poison it for decades to come. We were returning to the "World" to continue our lives, while leaving our Vietnamese cohorts behind

-- John Stockwell
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2013 02:14 pm
@JTT,
You are comparing the Shah of Iran to OBL? Considering the amount of terrorism that came out of Iran after the Shah was removed I laugh at your comparison. Iran is one of the original founders of modern day terrorism.

If sure if you had your way the people's of the earth would still be in their original starting places. You are only hot on the tail of the US because we are the biggest target around. Every large nation has done things that others find unfair or unjust. We are not the first and I promise we won't be the last. When was the last time you looked into the treatment the Chinese provide to the nations it has invaded and taken over on its rise to power. Taiwan ,Nepal or Tibet.

I can accept my nation has done some unpleasant things for reasons you don't agree with but I'm willing to bet the the world is mostly better off with us then without us. You do a survey around the world and the US is still the #1 destination for people seeking a better life and freedom. Ask the 15 million illegal aliens who currently reside here and the millions more who would come if you gave them a ticket.

I guess this will be my last reply to you on this thread.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2013 02:50 pm
@JTT,
Could you be transfering your own shame and guilt onto others in an attempt to salve your own conscience?
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