Logic the only Absolute-

Sorry, but quantum mechanics has shown all of Aristotle's so called 'laws' to be obsolete! Far from Universal, anyway!
There is not anything especially 'eternal' about 'thoughts' (or anything else); we perceive guitars and music and the moon and thoughts....
Your error does not constitute "absolute proof of 'god'", a vain quest and clain at best.


therefore,

~~~ Conclusions drawn from erroneous assumptions are less than reliable.


consciousness or idea

~~~ Consciousness is not an 'idea'/thought!
Consciousness perceives that which Is, in this case, an 'idea' = 'thought'. You do not create or store 'thoughts', you perceive That Which Is.
'Thoughts/ideas' are particular features/Perspectives of 'That Which Is, the One Reality.

"There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil." - Alfred North Whitehead

"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense." -Robert Anton Wilson

-Only the logical, mathematical and other eternal laws can be proven and his bright ideas.
-Even the idea of ​​"god" or the existence of the 'things' themselves can only be known and fantasies as apparent as experienced.

The thing is though is that logic is based on Reason and if the Reasoning is wrong then so is the is following logic

that is an aspect of how only truth exist

u cant deal with logics without meanin true logics or logics in truth

u cant deal with reasons but reasons in truth or true reasons

and this for anything else

only truth existence allow to see a reality of many different things being in truth ways

that is how when truth is ignored to take advantage of, only lies are possible existence shapes reasons, while lies proved cant stay constant
so always end by increasin murders and crimes to also avoid lies to make and force reasons to b of what cant have any reason since down killed

Logic is far from 'absolute'.
QM has eviscerated every one of Aristotle's 'laws' of logic!

A = A AND A =/=A AND A sometimes = A... all at the same moment!

"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense." -Robert Anton Wilson

"For every Perspective, there is an equal and opposite Perspective!" - The First Law of Soul Dynamics

Tx, that's a keeper.

You're welcome!
There'll never be another Bob Wilson! *__-

Never heard the name. Who was he?

What a joy to be able to share him with you;
Robert Anton Wilson

There is much to find with a good search! Have fun!

Do you realise Logos is not free right? All actions, processing are necessary!

Post Scriptum - After reading back the thread it seems this is your position so nevermind. Feel free to dissent in case I miss something on the quick bactracking I did of the thread.

One has to adopt 0,0...0,1...1,0....0,0 logic rather than just 0,1...1,0 logic that’s for sure.Philosophy needs to learn a big lesson.

Logic is superior to carnal proof.Carnal proof one way or the other has failed miserably to confirm or not confirm 0,1..1,0 philosophy...keep flogging that dead horse if you wish....you are wasting your time.....it’s a DEAD philosophy!

0,0..0,1..1,0..1,1 are the logic output possibilities when it comes to good and bad because no definitive proof is given as to the definition of either which is a FACT.

Logic combination 0,1..1,0 cancels but only because it is ASSUMED that good and bad are the same.This is the basis for most accepted modern day science and philosophical reasonings/ideas …..Logic combination 0,0..1,1 don’t cancel out if good and bad are not the same and therefore the difference between the two would be an ABSOLUTE.

Like it or not the above is what the biological machine kicks out when it doesn't know a definitive answer. It has limits.

Why do I say biological machine?...well isn't there a part of our make up that acts just like a biological machine...…..isn't this widely known in psychology/philosophy as the automatic consciousness state or UNAWARE consciousness state?......of course it is.

You do know what people say about someone who talks to themselves, don't you?

LOL…

Modern day science‘s GUESS is that the electromagnetic forces in nature cancel out and therefore play no major part in the united scientific formula. It claims that the electromagnetic fields that saturate the universe were formed after its single Big Bang.

Well, as observations have confirmed that the single Big Bang is a load of nonsense then modern day science’s GUESS that the electromagnetic fields that saturate the universe came after its mythical single Big Bang clearly need to be reconsidered.

It really does emphasize how much guess work and assumptions have been going on in modern day science. It can claim what it wants, invent forces that it wants, backed up by massaged and manipulated mathematical formulas that impress many. However,at the end of the day, if the output is a load of nonsense then it is just that. A load of nonsense.

The electromagnetic fields that saturate the universe don’t cancel out at all,they vibratory balance and this is why we get sinusoidal brain outputs because electrical signals are passing through vibrating electromagnetic fields which balance and do not cancel because of the philosophical logic formula +/-=+/-

The philosophical logic formula +=- and -=+ results in failed science and always will.

If by "Logos" you are minimalistic, and just mean the entire order of things, the History of everything, existing in a Block Universe/Multiverse, and that is Reality, then I am fine with it. None of it requires an agent, a thinker, a "willer"...quite the opposite such a being would himself be constrained into the very Logos that made him real if he existed...the very idea of Logos destroys the idea of agents as free willing entities and reduces them to natural phenomena not much different from rocks banging on each other..."God" would be no exception!

So if you want a true God you best abandon the idea of a person, an agent, a thinker...actually you would be better off believing the monolith of 2001 is it! (slightly more accurate)

We know how everything works and its construction and operation doesn't adopt solely a possibility logic of +=- and -=+.It doesn't adopt solely a possibility logic of +=+ and -=- either.

It adopts a full possibility logic in its construction and operation of -=-....-=+...+=-....+=+

This means you require a philosophy and science that adopt this full logic principle.

The only science in nature that adopts this full logic principle is electromagnetic force interactions.

This principle of construction and operation applies to both the macro and the micro.

Science and philosophy will continue to fail if it keeps adopting solely +=- and -=+ as its foundational logic for its theories and inventing forces.

Why?

Because if +=- and -=+ is true then -=- and +=+ is true as well and therefore this logic should be adopted within scientific and philosophical theories and formulas as well.

The FACT is that with the 4 off possible electromagnetic force interactions -/-...-/+...+/-...+/+ each of these interactions SHOULD be identical if modern day science is correct in its assumptions.

However, the outcome is 2 attractions and 2 repulsions so modern day science is presently INCORRECT in its assumptions.