Planned Parenthood and the Bible

Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 11:26 am
Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

Comment: Is Jesus endorsing planned parenthood here and is this a biblical commentary on overpopulation?

"Weep for the children who have no parents and blessed is an empty womb?"

Is the figure Jesus asking us to weep for the unborn fetus or for those born without the care and nurture of two loving and committed adults? Jesus is definitely telling us to care for women in society who have maternity issues.

Also, non Christians could be considered unborn fetuses, that is till they are "born again". Yet many evangelical Christians treat atheists and pagans as inferior and spiritually dead.

And what does Jesus mean by the "green tree" thing? Got any thoughts on this?
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 11:38 am
I will explain the green tree thing.

Jesus is saying that if people have the hateful audacity to treat him (a child of God) with such violence while he was on earth (green tree) just consider what they will do to him and us when he is away (dry)...
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 12:26 pm
[quoteIs Jesus endorsing planned parenthood here and is this a biblical commentary on overpopulation][/quote]

Birth control was a practice widely accepted by Hebrew women during and prior to the time of Jesus. It was a common practice to use the bladders from camels as condoms to prevent pregnancy.

I doubt that Jesus had any interest in overpopulation.

Moreover, death of the mother-to-be was common during childbirth. Thus there would appear to be no real need for even considering overpopulation.
Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 12:50 pm
Miller wrote:

Is Jesus endorsing planned parenthood here and is this a biblical commentary on overpopulation]

Birth control was a practice widely accepted by Hebrew women during and prior to the time of Jesus. It was a common practice to use the bladders from camels as condoms to prevent pregnancy.

I doubt that Jesus had any interest in overpopulation.

Moreover, death of the mother-to-be was common during childbirth. Thus there would appear to be no real need for even considering overpopulation.

The Romans were were doing what Romans did best "roaming"... I tend to think even then the world and the "multitudes" that Jesus spoke of (a biblical multitude meaning more than you could count) did present a question as to how populated the world could become before implosion... Before modern medicine and TV dinners feeding people was quite a quandary. Feeding 5000 people on two fish and two loaves of bread also speaks of overpopulation... A Colosseum of Jesus day only a few miles from Jesus' birth place accommodating thousands of seating... Even nearly a thousand years before Jesus in old Sumeria there were multitudes of people speaking many languages. Our old saying two's company but three is a crowd seems to be apropos. With many wars on many fronts being fought in many places during Jesus' time I can't help but think overpopulation was at least a minor consideration. Even the social scourge of slavery speaks of overpopulation in the devaluing of human life and dignity..
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2012 10:37 am
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Comment: Evangelical preachers who object of the homosexual lifestyle stand at the pulpit and preach about how homosexuals can't make children so their lifestyle is the way of death.

We have God supposedly in the garden of Eden telling Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. Well, on a side note, it is curious to say the least that you cannot replenish the earth till it is at least once been plenished. Had God said this to Noah it might have been grammatically true.

So one might from this wonder if plenishing the earth, being fruitful and multiplying is not about creating endless physical offspring but about ideas that are infectious and lead the way to a quality of life i.e. liberty, freedom, equality etc...

There is the great flood where seemingly millions of people are killed by God...

Isaac is nearly slain just so God can feel big and powerful... As if God greatness is dependent upon what we do and think rather than God own self worth.

Lot offers his daughters to be defiled by an angry mob to protect men strangers who have come into his city. God spares Lot and his daughters only so later on Lot can get drunk and sleep with them. Yet Job is, even in light of God's omnipotent foreknowledge, a righteous man.

Then we get to Solomon's harems and his so called "wisdom"... Despots, rulers, chauvinist men who enslave many women for their own pleasure and vanity.

Jephthah is slain by her father just to fulfill an empty and foolish vow made to God. A supposedly devout holy man playing Russian roulette with his family.

The bible indicates God kills all of Job's family just to prove Job has a bit of fear in his heart. Yet God's own "jealousy" (I am a jealous God) is not fear based?

Is this "the way" of life?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Comment: First one must note Jesus did not say God but he refers to God as "the Father". Is this a code for further understanding or a forgery? We may never know...

Did God really father Jesus or was it the message Jesus spoke that led the way? So Jesus goes on his way and, according to orthodoxy, collects twelve disciple men to follow him around and become fishers of men while excluding women.

Unlike Solomon Jesus had men whom he captivated. Again, according to orthodoxy, and really the words of the Bible speak for themselves, Jesus opted to not marry. Jesus showed compassion for Mary Magdalene where Hebrew law would have called for her stoning. One might surmise the Gnostic scriptures were most likely an attempt to reverse "the way" of Jesus.

Jesus is referred to as the high priest forever in the book of Hebrews yet he neither married a women as the old testament priests did nor did he leave behind physical offspring. The opposite of this sold a lot of books for Dan Brown. Yet in orthodoxy it was Jesus' words and ideas that were fruitful and multiplied after his death.

Mary Magdalene came to Jesus tomb and attempted to embrace him after his resurrection and he refrained from her embrace claiming it would have defiled him. If she was forgiven, redeemed, sanctified, cleansed etc... previously by the living lord why would her advances have needed be rejected? Was it because if his own preference and to further cement his idea of mindless overpopulation versus a quality of life.

Then there is the disciple in whom Jesus loved... Why was this disciple a man? And we have the Gnostic scriptures come in and try their best to obliterate the homosexual overtones of Jesus life. Some people cannot stand the idea that Jesus might have been gay and preferred to not overpopulate the world by leaving an offspring. Rather Jesus preferred to nurture and love the downtrodden of the world. Jesus cared for those already born and abandoned by careless and hateful old testament minded people. The pious and legalistic minded were and still are the main antagonists of Jesus' way.

Jesus' way, truth and life was to give birth to ideas of liberty, freedom and equality not to create and abandon more bastard children in an ego trip of the flesh.

Jesus walked by the spirit not by the flesh...

He minded the things of the spirit...

The Bible says all people need to be saved [born again]...

This can be interpreted in two ways. That giving birth is the only purpose in life. Procreating is the only way... Yet, this is a fleshly view of "the way".

So we have evangelicals traversing the countryside fathering bastard Christians in every hamlet, vista and town. Yet they leave these Christians to fend for themselves and they move on as holy rollers to another place only to father more bastard Christians.

They read into the Bible what they want. They stoke their ego daily about how much work the have done in fathering all of these Christians. While they leave these new born Christians high and dry for the world to pick up the tab. Often the cost is high when new Christians are left to become radicalized and unruly children of their own religious fears, dogma and whims of chance.

Yet the verse in the Bible does not say ONLY that people should be born again but they also need to be nurtured and given a knowledge of the truth.

Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved [born again], and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Comment: Evangelicals skip over the last part of this scripture because it does not fit "their own way" of holiness.

And what is this knowledge of the truth? Well it is liberty, freedom and equality...

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Comment: Today radical conservative Christians utilize an old testament minded frame of thinking.

They speak and do as it becomes the old laws of sins and death, they care only about Christian birth rates and care nothing about the nurture and care of those who are poor and downtrodden of society. They walk by the flesh and not by the spirit. Their way is enmity against God, the spirit of truth and law of liberty. They with hate and judgment push their homosexual children out into the thoughtless and uncaring world just as Jesus was abandoned by the religious of his time. They are blinded by the urge toward physical procreation rather than embracing liberty and love for all.

Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, 17And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. 18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
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