Brave or Stupid

****, this makes me want to carry a lighter rocky.

always be prepared.

it's the scout's motto...

rosborne

Thank you. Things like this you vividly remember. No I wasn't afraid at all, rather I remember my mind was thinking "how dare you". And, I remember the stare I gave him was fierce, penetrating, there certainly was no fear. I am not sure if it was an adrenaline rush, maybe at the beginning but not when I was at the car. I recall being extremely calm.. Until, after. Then I shirt myself.


Linkat

Linkat, I see that to be so simular. Protection? An immediate instinct maybe?

Chai


Chai, let's remember she was an "older woman".. Maybe, to her, her worldly posessions were in that bag, or fear crept in after all, she ran in circles, she didn't try to run away, I'd say it was pure fear. Not everyone can think ahead. Our brains take 30 seconds to react our thoughts apparently, I may be out on the timing but, our thoughts definately take time for our body to react.

An older woman running in circles, crying out for help and then reduced to crouching does not sound like a woman who can think ahead, or change her thought patterns mid stream, rather fear has set in so deep that she can't swim past the water. Your mind set is obviously vastly different, I'd say mine is too, given I was able to escape possible rape and death at 18 by not letting fear set in and finding an escape.. We are not all alike.



Woman Chai.. Which makes it worse doesn't it.. A woman putting her foot on a car, staring at two guys, specifically the driver.. That is why they backed off, not just the staring but that a woman was prepared to confront them.



So sure I was stupid, but I had courage not yet the wisdom.

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The car was stationary.. It came straight up to us. I turned around after trying to comfort this woman who at the time, I didn't realise that I knew, she was sobbing hard. I heard the car. I turned around and it had stopped not far from us. Already, stopped. I'd say these kids were thinking I would duck or try to drag her or something.. That one would get out and take both our bags.. being confronted like that, their getaway now at arms reach. I think my choice was a statement.. One that said "protection" of both of us. I think if I had dragged her, or shown fear, that's what would have occured. One would have gotten out of the car. Funnily enough, I was mad, like wt? Just try it.. So, I don't think as I have stated it was just the stare, it was a woman saying 'NO'...and not showing fear.




I agree totally on the last statement.

Linkat


I think the instinct Linkat was at, helping the woman. I do remember first thinking, given there were two of them and looking around the carpark to see if there was anyone else to call out to. There wasn't.. So I made my decision. I do also remember that they didn't have any knives just using their hands to try to grab the bag. My honest thoughts were, worse scenario, I may get struck but my instinct was to help the woman.



I like the cigarette lighter idea that's pretty scary, movie stuff Rock, like we both go down I also like the idea of forward thinking.. But sometimes there are no plans.. Sometimes if you have that instinct then you have to draw on all probables right there and then, to work out how to get out of a situation, and sometimes you are forced into a situation that you would never, ever have thought would have occured. Such as walking out of a toilet and being pushed out an exit door by a 6ft 3 guy..

ehBeth


I think ehBeth, we had those awkward, huge, heavy mobile phones and I am pretty sure I charged it from the car. You're right.. And my purse would not have been in a shape of a phone either..


Chai

All women should learn that one for any situation, ...

rockhead

Exactly.. Unfortunately, even the woman murdered (links) in this thread, was an ace at taekwondo, yet she was still raped and murdered.

msolga



Me too.. I wouldn't think twice if there was no other solution.

David

Yessum, your gun has always been your best friend David


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/troubled-past-of-murder-accused-adrian-ernest-bayley/story-e6frg6nf-1226483787739





Talking about mobile phones in situations. I will be following this story, did he turn it off, did she try to call someone, after all the link to the phone played a big part in how he was caught.

Putting oneself in danger can easily (and rationally) be described as "stupid."

When one does so to benefit someone else, it is (rationally) seen as bravery.

This is almost a definition of bravery: Doing something stupid for a good reason.

If there was no risk involved, there would be no bravery.

If the benefit was only for youself, the bravery would be suspect.

Thankfully some people react without a whole lot of thought to risk when they see an innocent in danger through chance or injustice.

The smart thing is to move along.

How many Zebras stick their noses in the middle of a lion's killing of one of their fellows?

I am right here....

So that is why you are such a freak, you know from experience that women can beat off men, that woman dont have to be victims in need of the states "protection", and you dont fear men.

That is cool. I dont meet many like you.

re the original thought...I dont care whether it was brave or stupid...what matters to me is following your calling/imperative/instincts. A a Zenist I do it all the time, there is a time for thinking and a time for action, the wise do not get the two confused. Doing what you need to do does not always turn out well, but if you make a habit of it living with yourself is a breeze.

As you might have gathered before now I dont believe in repression, nor in suppression of others unless it is absolutely necessarily. Firefly on the other hand is a tireless advocate for the police state, and for "improvement" programs for the human race, which to all appearances she hates.

You found it huh, dodododododo...

Gawd I am a freak? But yes, you make sense, in your first paragraph.. Also, I was a kid, all of IDK 17 and had been drinking ( please see the links I put on here as well as this also stemmed from the rape and murder of Jill) which I am addicted to reading now. To add to that bit ... This guy, the rapist/murderer, raped now this could get interesting with FF, he went to jaol and was out in just over 2 years for rape, being a good boy. He, stated after release he just played along, told them what the wanted to hear. Out in 2002, as a result and raped 6 prostitutes, back in he went for 8 years? ..... So between 2010 and now... He's raped 16, killed one...

She was from BBC, TV .. I am betting that he checked her handbag, saw that, paniced, called from her phone as that is crutial evidence in how they caught him and killed her. Why let him out? Sheez. Law stuffed up twice.

Anyway I know this thread will turn that way because this is of interest to me...and the reason why it bought back these memories, triggered by reading a thread here.

A guy, stalking a girl, walking from a bar along the street, waiting for her, then getting her and I am sure, lifting her up off the ground, punching her just like me, and the rest is History.....



Hawk, this is one thing you and I agree with whole heartedly.. that and being a risk taker.

I never thought of it like that Finn. To benefit someone else for a good reason knowing the risks.

I wonder if people that don't hold fear, will just "react" or if they are a "protective person like Linkat" will just react.. No fear, risk is taken.

This is interesting in as much as instinct is a woman's better atribute than a male, so would a woman take more risks than a male, use her instinct more than a male?

Dunno, but interesting.

I didn't know that about Zebras, learn something new every day

Thank you . for your thoughts.

Sorry, that being I believe the part you are referring to, from experience when I fought off the 6ft so guy from pushing me in the car.

I do think there is a protective instinct that some people have maybe over another.

Just very recently, my niece got hit by a car after being dropped off her bus from school. She is just a few years younger than my 13 year old. (she is home recovering now - fortunately her physical injuries will all heal). Any way my 13 year old says to me after visiting her, if I were there, I would have pushed her out of the way and been hit myself.

I do think that sometimes people have a protective instinct over those that they view being younger, weaker or in need of protection.

That's almost a rational statement.

I think some people's hearts especially childrens, are so pure that they in-deed would do anything to save someone they love.. I'm betting your daughter would do that for a complete stranger if she saw someone about to be hit, with the intent of trying to get out of the way herself, but I think she would do it..

Scary huh...

It is scary. I didn't know what to say when she said what she did. No, don't do it - don't endanger yourself - which is what a protective mom would want. But on the other hand, I recognized myself in her - I could picture me saying that when I was her age. I didn't say anything. (and crossed my fingers that it would never come to that)

I kinda know how you feel, as I read that I could see that from a Mother's point of view, proud but scared.

I guess, we are who we are and what we are tought, if we agree stays with us...

I personally think it's a beautiful thing and I'll cross my fingers if she ever did that, to also be wise, (perhaps you can guide there? ) on how to pull someone across instead of jumping in front .... So they are both safe.

IDK

hugs.

Thank you - your comments are very sweet and kind.

Do u deny that a stupid man can be brave ?