Bravery is when you overcome a fear to take action, but it sounds like you weren't afraid (probably adrenaline rush), so not brave. And stupid is when there is a much better solution readily available, and you either don't see it or don't choose it. But there wasn't a better option, so not stupid.
Thank you. Things like this you vividly remember. No I wasn't afraid at all, rather I remember my mind was thinking "how dare you". And, I remember the stare I gave him was fierce, penetrating, there certainly was no fear. I am not sure if it was an adrenaline rush, maybe at the beginning but not when I was at the car. I recall being extremely calm.. Until, after. Then I shirt myself.
I ran out right in front of my dog, put my hand up and yelled "Stop". The bonehead slammed on the brakes and stopped right in front of us. He started swearing his head off. But it was obvious he was trying to actually run my dog down.
Linkat, I see that to be so simular. Protection? An immediate instinct maybe?
I'm not going to say for a second the woman didn't do any of these precautions, but it sure doesn't sound like it if she was running, cowering, clutching some unimportant piece of leather or cloth. She could have dropped the bag, and kept running, and the chances of her continuing to be chased would have dropped hugely.
People do have more control than they give themselves credit for whether they lose their minds or not.
Chai, let's remember she was an "older woman".. Maybe, to her, her worldly posessions were in that bag, or fear crept in after all, she ran in circles, she didn't try to run away, I'd say it was pure fear. Not everyone can think ahead. Our brains take 30 seconds to react our thoughts apparently, I may be out on the timing but, our thoughts definately take time for our body to react.
An older woman running in circles, crying out for help and then reduced to crouching does not sound like a woman who can think ahead, or change her thought patterns mid stream, rather fear has set in so deep that she can't swim past the water. Your mind set is obviously vastly different, I'd say mine is too, given I was able to escape possible rape and death at 18 by not letting fear set in and finding an escape.. We are not all alike.
As far as the man putting his foot in front of the car.....
Woman Chai.. Which makes it worse doesn't it.. A woman putting her foot on a car, staring at two guys, specifically the driver.. That is why they backed off, not just the staring but that a woman was prepared to confront them.
What he said was "Bravery is courage tempered by wisdom"
So sure I was stupid, but I had courage not yet the wisdom.
Personally, I don't think it was wise to confront a moving car with your foot
The car was stationary.. It came straight up to us. I turned around after trying to comfort this woman who at the time, I didn't realise that I knew, she was sobbing hard. I heard the car. I turned around and it had stopped not far from us. Already, stopped. I'd say these kids were thinking I would duck or try to drag her or something.. That one would get out and take both our bags.. being confronted like that, their getaway now at arms reach. I think my choice was a statement.. One that said "protection" of both of us. I think if I had dragged her, or shown fear, that's what would have occured. One would have gotten out of the car. Funnily enough, I was mad, like wt? Just try it.. So, I don't think as I have stated it was just the stare, it was a woman saying 'NO'...and not showing fear.
I believe what ultimately made these men reconsider and leave was not the foot in front of the car, but the eye contact. The eye contact saying "I see you. I can describe you. I'm not cowering, I'm in charge of myself"
I agree totally on the last statement.
But often times in such situations - you are reacting instinctively. Instinct takes over when a quick decision needs to be made. Its that flight or fight instinct. Unless you have the luxury of time to think this through - most people react instinctively. That is why there isn't real fear - you ain't thinking about it - you are simply reacting.
I think the instinct Linkat was at, helping the woman. I do remember first thinking, given there were two of them and looking around the carpark to see if there was anyone else to call out to. There wasn't.. So I made my decision. I do also remember that they didn't have any knives just using their hands to try to grab the bag. My honest thoughts were, worse scenario, I may get struck but my instinct was to help the woman.
You keep your eyes open, think ahead, have plans.
I like the cigarette lighter idea that's pretty scary, movie stuff Rock, like we both go down
I also like the idea of forward thinking.. But sometimes there are no plans.. Sometimes if you have that instinct then you have to draw on all probables right there and then, to work out how to get out of a situation, and sometimes you are forced into a situation that you would never, ever have thought would have occured. Such as walking out of a toilet and being pushed out an exit door by a 6ft 3 guy..
Remember car phones? they didn't work once you took them out of the car since they were hooked up to the car battery. Not really that long ago. I still had one of those when I first travelled to visit Setanta.
I think ehBeth, we had those awkward, huge, heavy mobile phones and I am pretty sure I charged it from the car. You're right.. And my purse would not have been in a shape of a phone either..
One of the best things I've read about keep your head about you was this...
This girl was pumping gas, and saw a guy approaching her in what she saw as a menacing way. She said to him "Hi! I'm Dan's (or some common name, banking he knows someone with that name) sister, remember me? How are you!"
All women should learn that one for any situation, ...
victims usually act like victims...
Exactly.. Unfortunately, even the woman murdered (links) in this thread, was an ace at taekwondo, yet she was still raped and murdered.
I can certainly understand that instinctive urge to intervene to protect the weak or helpless.
Me too.. I wouldn't think twice if there was no other solution.
I hear a gunshot and saw a bullethole open up in my driver's door window.
I saw that car driving abreast of mine, at that time.
Reflexively, I drew out my own gun, a brightly reflective
stainless steel mirror .44 caliber revolver. Before I had time to line up a shot,
I heard a scream from that other car and it abruptly departed hence
Yessum, your gun has always been your best friend David
The Weekend Australian has learned that Ms Meagher's mobile telephone, which had been switched off since shortly after she disappeared on Saturday morning, played a crucial role in the police investigation.
Her provider, Vodafone, helped track the location of her phone as well as providing call records which assisted detectives in making their arrest.
Victoria Police has privately thanked Vodafone for its assistance, but declined to comment on the phone's importance to the investigation.
Talking about mobile phones in situations. I will be following this story, did he turn it off, did she try to call someone, after all the link to the phone played a big part in how he was caught.