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Which is first the egg or the chicken [God].

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2012 06:23 pm
@Cyracuz,
Sounds reasonable. Do you have the list of the ten commandments from the bible and the book of the dead for comparison? I'd like to see it if you can provide it.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2012 11:32 pm
It makes sense that many societies, in looking around in Nature for something to worship, would focus on the most most briliant, nourishing and indispensable object like the Sun. The Egyptians and Mesoamericans are only the best known to make this choice.
BTW, the chicken-or-the-egg dilemna overlooks the likelihood that animals (e.g., chickens and lizards) and their eggs probably evolved together as stages or phases (in an evolutionary/developmental process) of eggs and animals. The egg did not come into being fully formed, nor did its animal such that our problem is simply to decide which formed first.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 03:22 am
@RW Standing,
RW Standing wrote:
Which is first the egg or the chicken [God].
If I read correctly, the Chief Rabbi appears to believe that Judaism over a period of three thousand years, has been a source of great virtue. Perhaps it can be assumed this does not mean the Hebrew people have never committed atrocities, in modern eyes, any more than Christians have never done so.
But the question is, whether he believes in certain virtues [ie values] which he then identifies with God, or does he believe in God and therefore whatever it is believed God requires is virtuous.


This is less than entirely coherent, and this is basically an exercise in christian-baiting. However, this:

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But the question is, whether he believes in certain virtues [ie values] which he then identifies with God, or does he believe in God and therefore whatever it is believed God requires is virtuous.


. . . could be an interesting topic for discussion, although it doesn't need to be specific to christians.

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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 05:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
This site was the best I could come up with at the moment. It's not an issue that takes up much of my time, so I don't have ready references.

There's a lot of text before it gets to the 'negative confession' as it's called. You see the biblical versions written in orange next to the Egyptian phrases.
As you'll see, the match is not perfect. There are many more phrases in the book of the dead, and they are not all included in the ten commandments, though perhaps the essence of them is.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:34 am
@Cyracuz,
Really appreciate your providing the article on the book of the dead that resembles the ten commandments of the bible. I've bookmarked it to read it at leisure, because of its length, but will do so within the next few days.

What popped out at the very beginning is that the book of the dead was written 2600 BCE. Quite amazing to say the least.

Thank you!
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harey
 
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Reply Thu 4 Oct, 2012 04:38 pm
@RW Standing,
the fruit of the tree precedes the animal and its egg
absos
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 12:52 am
@harey,
exactly, u r right perspective out of wrong images, tree fruits etc etc

the end is what exist first, self existence as a way of speakin cant b objectively seen by else, that is how nothing exist too objectively real in being nothing at all as a constant way of being while doing nothing else so just free out of nothing existence fact relatively to that freedom

but then only the end is true existence so whatever dont do anything alone as superior constant real matter, do not exist while it could also have no right to b free if it is opposed or abusin true freedom

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 01:26 pm
@absos,
Which came first, the fruit or the seed?
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Wondermakewonders
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 01:42 pm
@RW Standing,
Of course the chicken did. A mutation made some animal a chicken, and then the chicken made an egg. GET IT?
Val Killmore
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 02:05 pm
@Wondermakewonders,
What if an egg did? What if a mutation in the descendant of an animal other than a chicken, and that animal that is different from the chicken laid an egg, and out broke from the egg, a chicken?
absos
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 02:59 pm
@Val Killmore,
the problem is what liars are everything that is why absolute as being existence condition is denied

a different shape is only a relative free constant, so different consatnt that cant b but free as nothing to objective constant taht must b absolute same constant objective relative dimension translated in terms of reality
but free else are everywhere while nothing to same else being relative objective reality, while free nothing objective are never then objective in any way and that is why things are never what they look while they are mostly the opposite if they dont put their head into smthg they are truly real about

so any animal form is the same animal since has objective form in same dimension of existing relativity for a present fact reality, while two chickens or two aunts could b free else of form being totally different and truly opposite

while existence is based on liars deformin true facts to take advantage of rights slavery, as liars are what mean principally to become more anyhow instead of meanin more as an objective right to anything true while to objective truth then first, but liars mean to steal the right of everything and any else and especially any relativity to truth as liars dream about killin the truth after knowin its effect being for always there, that justify how all is in a sense always getting more from where it is true always at some points, so they mean to kill the truth as dreamin about it for what they would endlessly take over all n possess forever the effect of truth to their exclusive will to get more, so living subjectively always how they keep gainin smthg
absos
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 03:33 pm
@absos,
the egg is not of chicken while chicken dont make eggs

wht is true is what is beyond forces and spaces limits and reality needs, what is true is the translation of ends value, the present superiority fact confirmin true existence reality of all different relative involvements
what is true is only present superiority end which is logically same then first superiority, all mean the superiority first bc all is evil meanin to become more so lean in all ways to what give, while truth is much more what is infront clearly present consatnt bc leadin itself existin reality to stay in terms of superiority so anyone, while being each second of so many various elements that change since else is more moving before its moves

what is more constant objectively is the egg so subjectively egg is more a true self free, while the chicken is less constant objectively since it keep movin in different ways n die for sure, so it cant b first nor do any nor ever matter
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 03:47 pm
@JLNobody,
What I was trying to say was that the animal and its egg (as well as the fruit and its seed) evolved TOGETHER in a gradual PARALLEL process--a process of mutual causation, not one in which one preceded the other.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 03:48 pm
@JLNobody,
If they evolved together, how did the fetus survive?
absos
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 11:23 am
@JLNobody,
u r such freak loner, parallelism reason is always another point, not it that is why parallel never move together but in opposite sense, they cant evolve together
which prove that the disturbin wrong image u use for business that do not exist, is settle by truth in terms of one existence by killin the other
so the egg is meant by truth resolutions to what is never, as right existence by killin the chicken wrong existence

that is why ur gods enjoy the idea of being killed as they belon to that existence sense end, existin by killing constantly till it reach to become on them only

truth is not someone nor one nor existence nor value nor source nor reason, truth is what is constantly free bc it is right, by knowing that freedom is the superior value so the value and constance is the positive fact so the plus as the reaon of always same n more and right is the futur sense of true existence to what must b realized and supported till it proves itself being true as an egg as any right awareness or perspective or subtle light objective move
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 12:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Of course the fetus also evolved in "stages". And the challenges to its survival at each stage are part of what drove its evolution.
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absos
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 01:08 pm
bullshit, who is gonna stop such massacre of humans right standard to mean anything

he was supposed to mean egg and chicken as a philosophical topic, how did it become the parallel life and evolution ends of a particular foetus and a chicken one ??

who is he in judgin an egg reactions and stages as a fact that suit a chicken evolutions too, who is he there what is here from where

it is incredible such absolut proof of evil gods while everyone is screamin alleluia to worse words of such dirty spirit

only powerful creations in means of creatin some forms life all stories ends from the start that is the reason of such nonsense insolent shamelss expressions
like if everyone knows the story play for now so any moron show himself from up by claimin knowin how to talk about fake from veritable sources of infos

noone is a character on a play, while all images translations about living forms are invented stories of evil force powers which has nothing to do with truth, n without being opposed to while truth mean it always as its opposition to kill it first
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