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INSPECTOR GENERAL's REPORT: FAST & FURIOUS

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 12:38 pm
@parados,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Thay endeavored to slip guns to Mexican drug cartels
in hope of creating a publicity scandal with a lot of dead Mexicans,
to make REAL Americans look bad, with a lot of dead Mexicans lying around.



David


parados wrote:
How exactly do you think they did that David?
By discriminating in favor of Mexican criminals,
in an effort to create an inflamatory specific scandal in the press,
to make freedom look bad.

parados wrote:
Do you think the government should arrest people for buying guns?
My POINT is that thay shud not be using American funds
to manipulate the situation to sculpt American public opinion,
with their anti-American propaganda,
creating scandals to which thay will later object in the press.

The same as Bibles and newspapers,
there shud be a laissez faire market in guns and ammunition for all Americans.

I do not imply that Mexicans (the ones in Mexico)
have any protection from the US Constitution.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 12:44 pm
@parados,
DAVID wrote:
As I understand it, the guns that were allowed to "walk"
were specificly addressed to criminals, by the couriers in use,
not just a free flow of guns.
parados wrote:

As you understand it? Didn't you read the report?
Yes; I did not read the report (just a summary).



parados wrote:
Because clearly you don't have a clue about what was actually going on
if you think they used couriers
O, really?? Then how did thay get the guns to the Mexican criminals?



parados wrote:
and addressed labels on packages.
???? Incomprehensible.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 02:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


parados wrote:
How exactly do you think they did that David?
By discriminating in favor of Mexican criminals,
in an effort to create an inflamatory specific scandal in the press,
to make freedom look bad.
How did they discriminate in the favor of Mexican criminals? Are you arguing that some people should NOT be allowed to buy guns at all? That is the only possible reason for your argument. You are arguing it is discrimination to let people buy guns which means you think some people should NOT be able to buy guns.
Quote:

parados wrote:
Do you think the government should arrest people for buying guns?
My POINT is that thay shud not be using American funds
to manipulate the situation to sculpt American public opinion,
with their anti-American propaganda,
creating scandals to which thay will later object in the press.
What the hell did they manipulate? The only manipulation of American public opinion I see is those that are attacking the administration over Fast and Furious. The ATF had no intention of sculpting American opinion. We only have your made up reasons without any evidence. The ATF was running an investigation of a criminal enterprise and certainly did NOT want the public to know about it.
Quote:

The same as Bibles and newspapers,
there shud be a laissez faire market in guns and ammunition for all Americans.
BUT.. you just argued the opposite. The guns were purchased by American citizens acting as straw buyers for the most part. Which is it that you are arguing David? That American citizens can buy guns or that they can't? Is it discriminatory to let American citizens buy guns? Do you think the government should stop them from doing so if they are buying large quantities of the same type of weapon?

parados
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 02:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
YOu did not read the report and you said...
Quote:
As I understand it, the guns that were allowed to "walk"
were specificly addressed to criminals, by the couriers in use,

What was specifically addressed? I assumed you meant a package was specifically addressed to the criminals. They gun buyers at the gun stores weren't Mexican criminals. There was nothing specifically addressed to criminals in the process. Your statement makes no sense but then that's understandable. You are talking out of ignorance of the facts of the case.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 02:35 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:


parados wrote:
How exactly do you think they did that David?
By discriminating in favor of Mexican criminals,
in an effort to create an inflamatory specific scandal in the press,
to make freedom look bad.
How did they discriminate in the favor of Mexican criminals? Are you arguing that some people should NOT be allowed to buy guns at all? That is the only possible reason for your argument. You are arguing it is discrimination to let people buy guns which means you think some people should NOT be able to buy guns.
Quote:

parados wrote:
Do you think the government should arrest people for buying guns?
My POINT is that thay shud not be using American funds
to manipulate the situation to sculpt American public opinion,
with their anti-American propaganda,
creating scandals to which thay will later object in the press.
What the hell did they manipulate? The only manipulation of American public opinion I see is those that are attacking the administration over Fast and Furious. The ATF had no intention of sculpting American opinion. We only have your made up reasons without any evidence. The ATF was running an investigation of a criminal enterprise and certainly did NOT want the public to know about it.
Quote:

The same as Bibles and newspapers,
there shud be a laissez faire market in guns and ammunition for all Americans.
BUT.. you just argued the opposite. The guns were purchased by American citizens acting as straw buyers for the most part. Which is it that you are arguing David? That American citizens can buy guns or that they can't? Is it discriminatory to let American citizens buy guns? Do you think the government should stop them from doing so if they are buying large quantities of the same type of weapon?
I don 't claim to be an expert on this scandal.
I have been less than avid in my interest herein.
It has been my understanding that thay did NOT stop enforcing all the anti-gun laws entirely,
but rather that thay discriminated in favor of couriers for specific Mexican criminals,
to create a scandal to which thay woud later object,
alleging a demonstrated need for more statutory gun-control.





David
parados
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 02:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
So you are arguing that the problem is they did what you want them to do and not enforce gun laws.
Your principles aren't really principles. They can be quickly discarded for political purposes.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 03:18 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
So you are arguing that the problem is they did what you want them to do and not enforce gun laws.
Your principles aren't really principles. They can be quickly discarded for political purposes.
The Bill of Rights (i.e.: no government jurisdiction)
shud be enforced as it was written in 1789,
with the effect that Bibles, guns and newspapers remain free of government interference.





David
parados
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 03:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
So why are you complaining about the government non interference with gun sales?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 05:59 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
So why are you complaining about the government non interference with gun sales?
I 'm becoming a little redundant, at this point.
I object to them manipulating the situation.
Apparently, it is against some of their own laws.
I don 't believe that the Mexicans have any 2nd Amendment protection.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Who was manipulating a system? How were they manipulating it?

Oh.. that's right. You are claiming they were manipulating something when you have no clue about what was actually going on. Carry on.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 09:03 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Who was manipulating a system? How were they manipulating it?

Oh.. that's right. You are claiming they were manipulating something
when you have no clue about what was actually going on. Carry on.
That is an exaggeration, but candor moves me to admit
that I have not taken the time to fully inform myself on this scandal.
Others will handle it and r doing so already.





David
parados
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:42 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes others are manipulating the system to use this for political purposes. And of course you approve of politics over facts.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:52 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Yes others are manipulating the system to use this for political purposes.


Well, fair is fair. The freedom haters wanted to use this to back their plot to rape our Constitution.

Seems fair play to instead use it to paralyze the freedom haters and prevent them from acting to harm our Constitution.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:54 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

Well, fair is fair. The freedom haters wanted to use this to back their plot to rape our Constitution.

I see someone that is even more ignorant has decided to join the conversation.
How were they going to use this as a plot to rape our Contitution? Be specific.

1. Did they rape the Constitution by allowing people to buy guns?
2. How did allowing people to buy guns rape the Constitution?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 07:07 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
I see someone that is even more ignorant has decided to join the conversation.


Lying about me will not help you avoid the facts.



parados wrote:
How were they going to use this as a plot to rape our Contitution? Be specific.

1. Did they rape the Constitution by allowing people to buy guns?
2. How did allowing people to buy guns rape the Constitution?


Seems like I explained this all to you already.

If you'd like a refresher, my post is back here on page one.
mark noble
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 07:41 am
Constitution?
Who devised it?
What order were they in.....32nd, 33rd?

Again, Who devised it?

LOST?

Smile
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 08:45 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Yes others are manipulating the system to use this for political purposes. And of course you approve of politics over facts.
It was embezzlement to use taxes to propagandize the American public.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 08:46 am
@OmSigDAVID,
So you are accusing the GOP of embezzlement?
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 08:51 am
@oralloy,
You are bereft of any intelligence with that argument.

Quote:
They were hoping to back this effort by pretending that assault weapons from America are fueling the violence in Mexico.

The scandal here is that they HID it from the Congress and the American public. So by not telling you about it they were going to use your LACK of knowledge to convince you that something you didn't know about was causing something.

Your argument makes absolutely no sense oralloy. Gun walking had been going on for almost 6 years. What were they waiting for? Did they need to keep it secret for 10 years before the sprung this grand conspiracy on us? Maybe you need to get a better tin foil hat because the facts in the case don't support your argument that it was an attempt to sway public opinion.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 10:23 am
@parados,
I wonder how David feels about Libya. This is his vision of a free society. Open access to guns and militias all over the place.
 

 
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