heeheee......yeah, that too!
Seriously...I have seen far less backstabbing & gossip when working with men. If they don't like somebody or something, they just say so. Much easier to deal with, don't you think?
I heard a theory that suggests Jesus might have been a woman. Jesus had to whip up a last-minute feast for 5000 with no food around, Jesus spent years spreading a message that the men couldn't seem to wrap their heads around, and even after dying, Jesus had to get up again because there was still work to be done.
LOL!
Once again, my anecdotes vs yours.
The two "bitchiest" people I ever worked with were men - both of them very dangerously so - ie they were not just whiners, they plotted against people.
Other than them, I have little experience of workplace intrigue and backbiting, but where it has existed, it has been pretty equal.
I have worked with mainly men, and mainly women.
I prefer a roughly equal mix, most times, just cos any major sameness in the workplace is conducive to less interest, I think (I prefer a multi-disciplinary team for the same reason) - but, if I had to choose, I would probably go with more women - but it would actually really depend on the fun and intellectual stimulation factors of the people involved.
I wonder if gender equity within a profession might have some influence on whether individual he-persons or she-persons within that profession are more likely to be, as you say, bitchy.
Hmmmmm - you mean the more equal it all is, the less "doggy", to be fair.
I agree, actually. I work in a profession where there is great gender equity, and we all have a lot of personal power and respect as professionals.
The "bitchy" men I mentioned were, I think, very incompetent people who believed that they were not appreciated for their wonderful skills and qualities - that they ought to have been in much higher positions. One of them was a boss of mine - and we did not obey him as he felt we ought.
I have certainly experienced way more "bitchiness" in jobs where people had very little power - like hospitality - you know, waiting and kitchen hands and such.....I saw no particular gender split re this - and nice people were nice no matter how menial the job.
Maybe I have just been extraordinarily lucky in my work career?
Worst boss I've ever had was a deeply insecure woman who tried to enhance her power by harassing whoever she felt she could get away with harassing (which is to say, younger women). I hated her intensely, but got away with anything because she was afraid to lock horns with someone who was 1) a man and 2) more qualified to do her job than her -- in that order.
I was the lead person in a machine shop. All went well except for one guy, "John", who would not take instruction from a woman. I had to go over to another shop and get their (male) supervisor to come tell John what to do! I transferred out of that job into an inspector's position...
Yep - insecure bosses are the pits. The fella I wrote about was one of those. A colleague and I were discussing a previous boss of hers last night. This boss, a woman, was fabulous while my friend was "one down" as it were - then she went and got her masters degree, and the boss became horrible - very vicious - presumably feeling insecure re relative positions, or something? Thing is, my colleague would NEVER let something as dumb as a new degree affect her attitude - she is a natural darling. Still, I know all about insecurity in other aspects of my life - I oughta be able to understand it in the workplace, I suppose.
I have seen all sorts of loops and swats in the workplace from both genders and have also thrived on working with people of both genders. In my beginning workplaces, there was room for women, me, for example, but mine might have been early examples of the reasonable workplaces.
I have railed before and will again about how women around 1960 weren't admitted, or barely at all, to med schools in the US, dunno about law school, think it was somewhat similar but probably not 1% -- but in my own workspaces, I was treated well and listened to, given responsibility for one lab and then some more for another. recruited for others. When I was there, the top people were the male md's,. Since then, 'our dishwashers', male or female, made it big. One phD in biochem, one degree in dentistry, one md, one tv anchor for a network.... Three of those were women.
So what, there was room in my work environment then for whoever rambunctiously worked hard to move ahead, and the people were diverse. Maybe that was nirvana, an awakening period.
I've seen the opposite too.
I remember a huge change right around 1963-1965, but this is slightly pre baby boomer. You will see big swaths of woman doctors and lawyers waving in just after that.
On the other hand, I have talked to physicians recently who have said the whole professionhas moved down, and doctors have become nurses...
Well, let me not go there, since I am not either one.
Quote:On the other hand, I have talked to physicians recently who have said the whole professionhas moved down, and doctors have become nurses...
Hmmm. Certainly I can imagine that GPs may not have the same sorts of responsibilities that they used to...
Re: Why do woman always get shafted?
kerver wrote:It's really getting to me lately. From everything like getting jobs, playing sports to how our body works and sex. I know us women are slowely making our way up there, but dammit can't we speed up the process some.
I just made a post on another thread, basically saying attitude is based on bullsh!t.
This was a successful radiologist I was speaking with..
A topic that went off on a tangent related to this thread -
I link here because I don't want to just repeat things.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18613
dlowan wrote:Lol! This crap about women bosses really craps me off.
More than half my bosses have been women. One of them was a sh*t.
Only the sh*t was competitive- and she was thus with everyone. One of the men was a sh*t.
Most of the rest of them, men and women, are still friends.
My anecdotes can match any anecdotes you have.
Crap bosses and fabulous ones come in all genders.
I worked for a functional illiterate with a fifth-grade (if that) education. I worked there exactly 2 days. She was the boss's cousin. He was pretty good, but totally blind to her complete incompetence & stupidity.
Diane wrote:Kerver, as I've watched my sons grow up, I've noticed how the women's movement has changed all our lives--mostly for the better. I has sometimes been difficult for young men to know how to behave in certain situations, for example: my older son came home from school one day and said that a girl snarled at him for holding the door for her. I told him there was never anything wrong with good manners and that, as long as it wasn't done in a patronizing way, he should continue to behave in ways that are merely helpful, not acts of power or control. I felt the girl was really over-reacting.
That's happened to me. I usually slam the door in her face & walk away.
Eva wrote:heeheee......yeah, that too!
Seriously...I have seen far less backstabbing & gossip when working with men. If they don't like somebody or something, they just say so. Much easier to deal with, don't you think?
Actually, that sounds like my wife--she tends to be bluntly honest (sometimes to the point of rudeness--if you ask if she likes your new outfit, you'll get an honest answer, even if she thinks it makes you look like an idiot).
