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Castle doctrine fails in Philly

 
 
Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 09:47 am
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20120531_Despite__lsquo_Castle_Doctrine__rsquo__defendant_is_convicted_in_slaying.html

Man apparently found guilty of killing a criminal who was trying to rob him on the street:

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A PHILADELPHIA JUDGE said Wednesday he was convinced that a disabled, retired Marine was being attacked in the moments before he fatally stabbed a man last October, but he concluded that the stabbing was still a criminal act rather than self-defense.

Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner then convicted Jonathan Lowe, 57, of voluntary manslaughter and possession of an instrument of crime. The judge found him not guilty of the more-serious charges of first- and third-degree murder.

Lowe, who wears a pacemaker and has survived two strokes and two heart surgeries, could face up to 12 1/2 to 25 years in prison when Lerner sentences him Aug. 16.

The case underscores how uncertain the claim of self-defense can be, even in a state that revised its "Castle Doctrine" last year to give an individual the right to use deadly force in self-defense anywhere in which a person has a legal right to be. The revised law also eliminated the duty to retreat before using that force. Lowe’s case was featured in March in a Daily News article about the revision of that doctrine.

The voluntary-manslaughter conviction means that Lowe committed the stabbing under provocation but that his actions were unreasonable, or imperfect self-defense, Lerner said.

"There are some unanswered questions in my mind about what happened here," Lerner said. "We will never know exactly how this incident began, and I don’t think we will ever know, 100 percent, when the stabbing began."

During the two-day nonjury trial, Lowe and his attorney, Samuel C. Stretton, argued that he acted in self-defense on the evening of Oct. 1, 2011, when he was jumped by Loren Manning Jr., 51, and at least two other men on Cecil B. Moore Avenue near Bouvier Street.

"When he had his hands around my neck, I pulled out my knife and started stabbing him," Lowe testified Wednesday.

Stretton noted that Lowe stayed at the scene and cooperated with police, believing himself to be the victim.

Stretton said case law barred him from introducing Manning’s 18 criminal convictions at trial because Lowe wasn’t aware of them and most of them were too old, the most recent from 2002. According to court records, Manning was awaiting trial for allegedly knocking out a woman’s teeth while robbing her two years ago Thursday.

Assistant D.A. Carolyn Naylor argued this week that Lowe had been the aggressor.

Lowe testified that he used a small, quick-open knife to stab Manning after being knocked to the ground and choked during a robbery attempt.

Two Temple University students said Manning was chasing Lowe and trying to hit him with a metal pole before he caught him. Manning then pinned Lowe to the ground, they said.

But both students said they did not see Lowe stab Manning while the two men were on the ground, nor after Manning got up and quickly collapsed from four stab wounds in his neck, thigh and back.

Naylor seized on inconsistencies between the testimonies of Lowe and the students, including where the stabbing took place. She argued that before the students came upon the struggle, Lowe stabbed Manning from behind before both men ended up on the ground.

She noted that two stab wounds were in Manning’s back. She also said Lowe showed intent to kill with malice because after Manning fell mortally wounded, Lowe taunted him and even tried to stab him some more.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 09:49 am
Note that no firearms were involved...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 10:53 pm
@gungasnake,
I imagine that this will probably be reversed on appeal,
but we note that NO judicial rationale was set forth
as the foundation of criminal liability in this case;
i.e., this is shockingly incompetent, factually incomplete journalism.





David
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 05:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
What I'm wondering is what would happen if I were to be attacked by some criminal with a knife or gun and somehow manage to kill the guy just punching or with judo techniques. I'd assume that at least a few of these DAs we read about would try to prosecute me.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jun, 2012 12:15 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
What I'm wondering is what would happen if I were to be attacked by some criminal with a knife or gun and somehow manage to kill the guy just punching or with judo techniques. I'd assume that at least a few of these DAs we read about would try to prosecute me.
Yes; thay 'd argue excessive use of force.
We NEED to make this legally IMPOSSIBLE;
i.e., that any victim in America will be legally safe and free
to kill the predator as fast as he possibly CAN.
Failure to enact such law
is a de facto destruction of the innocent victim.

Maybe if the D.A. were prosecuting a known liberal,
who APPROVED of such anti-defense law, it wud be OK.

The victim shud get a tax credit for killing the criminal,
in recognition of his saving the collective the money
for every year of of housing the predator in prison for a long time.

Quantum meruit
Its only FAIR!!
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jun, 2012 05:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You may or may not have read about it, but the "judge" in this case has ordered Zimmerman back to jail on the pretext of having lied about his finances at a point in time when his finances were in a state of flux due to the money being collected via a paypal legal defense fund, and the only two possible motives I can see for that are either to arrange for Zimmerman to die in jail like Jim McDougal or Slobodan Milosevic, or to reduce his financial ability to fight the charges.

Of course, at this point, if anything were to happen to George Zimmerman in a Flori-duh jail or prison while awaiting trial, there would be no hiding it or spinning it, the GOP would not need any other issue(s) in November.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jun, 2012 11:11 am

The basis of what Zimmerman was DOING (patrolling for free)
was selflessness. I don 't usually approve of selflessness.
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