Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 08:51 am
This blog is born after listening in ‘you tube’ a famous author and speaker. I was so shock listening to him that I had to go to Google and find out who he was.
Anyway, I do not consider him important; what I consider important is the following;
- Realizing how wrong this man was.
- How well justified his false ideas were.
- How, well educated people can mess you up, if you do not pay attention to the message and compare it with the reality of life.

Some of his believes were;
- The purpose of marriage is not to seal the love between two people in love, but to create a covenant which will make difficult for either party to walk away.
- This covenant was more important than the passion of the romance between the lovers.
- The essence of marriage is not to love each other but the promise that you made to each other at the time of marriage.
- You should not expect to be in love for very long (three months was a long time) because the two of you are different and the differences can’t complement each other.
- Marriage will bring the worst in you.
- You will change when you get married.
- People that are not married and living together are cowards, (okay, he used a different word, ‘scared of commitment’). He also called this relationship “Consumer relationship” because you can walk away at any time.

He compared marriage to the fable of Ulysses traveling though the area where the muses were making the sailors crazy to wreck their ships, and Ulysses tied himself to the mast of the ship to experience the pain and madness of the songs.
I then conclude; “I guess woman is the muses and man is Ulysses. Woman making the man mad and he having to stay away from woman to regain his sanity.”

After many more idiotic statements to long to mention here, he concluded that his was the Christian view of marriage.

I have to say to people like him; “It is no wonder that our spiritual believes are eroding when we have to listen this kind of philosophy.”

Here is what I believe;
- A piece of paper (marriage certificate) will not stop people from divorce.
- Marriage is not an exercise to find out how much pain one can endure.
- Couples can be in love indefinitely when they are properly connected.
- People do not change when they get married; their figure and shape may change through time but not their character and nature.
- People that are living together and not married are not cowards, usually the man needs reassurance he won’t lose his independence and freedom. Women have to take care of that, but when you are properly connected this thinking does not exist.

The basis for his theory was based on interviews of married people; two out of three said they did not love their spouses but they kept married because of the marriage certificate (The Covenant).

I say; “People answer this way because, by being married to the wrong person they lost their youth, ambitions, believes that a comparable partner exist…and hope of a happy life in their future with another person.”

I can see how much work is ahead of me trying to upset all the wrong believes that have been accumulated on people’s minds in this subject over the years. But I have several warriors fighting on my side, they are;
- Your love.
- Your passion.
- Your integrity.
- Your commitment.
- Your Soul… It too, knows I am right!

vincentsylvan
 
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BillRM
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 09:06 am
@vincentsylvan,
The point of marriages as far as society is concern is to created and support a long term stable relationships to raised children in.

All the emotional stuff is very nice indeed however the legal relationship and the society going to the trouble to have courts and special laws and benefits is all about the next generation of children not about couples happiness.





vincentsylvan
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 09:39 am
@BillRM,
Your comment implies that love and happiness is not very important in marriage, but that only children are important because they are the next generation. I agree children are important but; which kind of children are you going to grow if there is no love in the marriage?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 10:28 am
@vincentsylvan,
As far as the legal institution of marriage and the reason why the society as a society get involve in this personal/sexual relationship it is indeed all about the next generation.

Love and happiness is all very important in any couple relationship however that is beyond the scope of the society

The contract between a couple that we call a marriage is not.

I had a firm 20 years relationship with my now wife before we decided to sign that contract and it bound us together with all kind and manner of legal obligations/rights to each other then we did not had before.

It in no way however did it affects our basic ongoing relationship.

So you need to look at the term married as a legal state between two people not a short hand term for the relationship between a couple one can exist without the other and in fact does do so in many cases.
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Fido
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 10:52 am
@vincentsylvan,
vincentsylvan wrote:

This blog is born after listening in ‘you tube’ a famous author and speaker. I was so shock listening to him that I had to go to Google and find out who he was.
Anyway, I do not consider him important; what I consider important is the following;
- Realizing how wrong this man was.
- How well justified his false ideas were.
- How, well educated people can mess you up, if you do not pay attention to the message and compare it with the reality of life.

Some of his believes were;
- The purpose of marriage is not to seal the love between two people in love, but to create a covenant which will make difficult for either party to walk away.
- This covenant was more important than the passion of the romance between the lovers.
- The essence of marriage is not to love each other but the promise that you made to each other at the time of marriage.
- You should not expect to be in love for very long (three months was a long time) because the two of you are different and the differences can’t complement each other.
- Marriage will bring the worst in you.
- You will change when you get married.
- People that are not married and living together are cowards, (okay, he used a different word, ‘scared of commitment’). He also called this relationship “Consumer relationship” because you can walk away at any time.

He compared marriage to the fable of Ulysses traveling though the area where the muses were making the sailors crazy to wreck their ships, and Ulysses tied himself to the mast of the ship to experience the pain and madness of the songs.
I then conclude; “I guess woman is the muses and man is Ulysses. Woman making the man mad and he having to stay away from woman to regain his sanity.”

After many more idiotic statements to long to mention here, he concluded that his was the Christian view of marriage.

I have to say to people like him; “It is no wonder that our spiritual believes are eroding when we have to listen this kind of philosophy.”

Here is what I believe;
- A piece of paper (marriage certificate) will not stop people from divorce.
- Marriage is not an exercise to find out how much pain one can endure.
- Couples can be in love indefinitely when they are properly connected.
- People do not change when they get married; their figure and shape may change through time but not their character and nature.
- People that are living together and not married are not cowards, usually the man needs reassurance he won’t lose his independence and freedom. Women have to take care of that, but when you are properly connected this thinking does not exist.

The basis for his theory was based on interviews of married people; two out of three said they did not love their spouses but they kept married because of the marriage certificate (The Covenant).

I say; “People answer this way because, by being married to the wrong person they lost their youth, ambitions, believes that a comparable partner exist…and hope of a happy life in their future with another person.”

I can see how much work is ahead of me trying to upset all the wrong believes that have been accumulated on people’s minds in this subject over the years. But I have several warriors fighting on my side, they are;
- Your love.
- Your passion.
- Your integrity.
- Your commitment.
- Your Soul… It too, knows I am right!

vincentsylvan

You are wrong here, and the guy you think wrong is clearly more right than you... It was sirens who lured Ulysses, and not the muses... The part marriage has usally played in human affairs is that of bond of peace between two peoples or families, on the theory that to kill family was wrong, and the best way to have peace was by trading women and mixing genes... Even when one culture is dominant over another, the slow process of change required both times of peace and times of violence... It may seen in Germany where most of the place names are Celtic that those eventually pushed out left something behind, and likely some of their culture and genes...

As can be seen in the cermony of marriage today, with its oaths, with time for objections to be offered, and the curse against breaking the marriage, that honor is an essential element of marriage just as dishonor is an essential element of consentual sex or rape... In some societies it is thought very possible for women to dishonor a man so that they must be controlled, secluded or tamed in some fashion... Honor attaches so to marriage because honor can come out of it or be lost by it... Almost the only way that a man with less honor in society can have more is by marriage to a family with greater honor... The proper method of considering marriage is as a form, and all forms are forms of relationship, and it is wrong to consider informal sexual relationships as less than marriage just as it is wrong to consider people in a good relationship only because they are married... Why should anyone marry formally if their relationship suits them??? The oaths and the honor that once made the oaths true are little valued... Words of love are not more honorable only because they are repeated before families when families are no longer required to enforce them... Now, honor is considered an individual matter, and if people are willing to trust, and then to follow up their words of love with work, they already have the best part of any form or relationship in the relationship itself without all the pretense and show...
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jcboy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:35 am
I'm in a relationship and we are raising a child but the sons of bitches won't let us get married.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:13 pm
@BillRM,
Bullshit. Marriage is about rights in property, othewise, society wouldn't give a rat's ass. Ask yourself how much genuine concern society shows for the children of poor people.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:21 pm
@jcboy,
Quote:
I'm in a relationship and we are raising a child but the sons of bitches won't let us get married.


Sorry but a married would turn you into a step father not a parent only a adoption would legally repeat legally turn you into a parent of the little boy.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:23 pm
@BillRM,
God you're an asshole. He didn't say he was a parent. You are a complete dick, in addition to being marginally illiterate.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:30 pm
Look up the U. S. covenant marriage movement.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 02:07 pm
@Setanta,
You are the idiot because he was the one who in his posting tied the raising of a child with his partner with the right to married his partner not me.

One thing does not had anything to do with the other and I was pointing that out to him and for me doing so very nicely as I happen to respect the man and think that the boy is very luck to had him in the role of a co- parent.
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vincentsylvan
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2011 06:18 pm
@vincentsylvan,
Folks I was talking about the relationship between man and woman. In my eyes when the two are connected, that to me is marriage at the emotional level, what the legal system have to say about that is another matter. I am only concerned about the happiness of us humans; how to get it, how to maintained, how to make it grow etc. It is happy emotions that distinguish us from animals; therefore happy emotions brought up by our own Nature (not drugs) should be our main goal in life. Everything else pales in comparison
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2011 07:25 pm
@vincentsylvan,
Sorry we had a clear legal state and also an emotional/sexual coupling.

Hopefully couples if married had the emotional/sexual coupling but they are hardly one and the same.

I had enjoyed an emotional/sexual coupling for twenty years with my now wife before we gotten married.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2011 07:43 pm
ahhh..

so love and commitment can only exist between a man and a woman..

well,
that right there is what is wrong with society. Judgment and some kind of deep down feeling that we know what is best for everyone else even about things that do not concern us..
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2011 09:55 pm
@shewolfnm,
Quote:
so love and commitment can only exist between a man and a woman..


Only that kind of a relationship tend to produce children without outside aid however.

A damn good reason why society should encourage long terms and stable commitments between men and women and have no such need to do so with others type of relationships.
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