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DEMOCRATS CLING TO THEIR GUNS

 
 
Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 07:01 pm
The Washington Times
Editorial: Democrats Cling to Their Guns

Gun ownership is on the rise in some surprising places.
As much as President Obama would have us believe that only small-town
yokels “cling to guns or religion,” a Gallup poll released Wednesday
suggests many of the firearms that have been flying off the shelves
in the past two years were purchased by Democrats and women.
The Second Amendment has truly gone mainstream.

Overall, just under half of Americans said they have a gun at home,
which is 6 percent more than had them in 2010. Not surprisingly,
the highest ownership percentages are found in the South and the
Midwest, and Republicans are the group most likely to be packing
heat - up 3 percent. By comparison, Gallup found the number of
Democrats willing to come out and admit to having a sidearm
jumped 8 points from 32 percent to 40 percent. Since Mr. Obama’s
inauguration, the ranks of gun-toting women swelled by 10 points
to 43 percent.

This change has significant impact on policy. Nearly three out of
four respondents opposed handgun bans - an all-time high.

There are now more Democrats with guns than there are liberals
who want to repress them. A half-century ago, the gun grabbers
held sway over public opinion. Today, even misleading terms like
“assault weapon” aren’t enough to scare up majority support for
gun control.

The 2004 expiration of the Clinton-era ban on some semiautomatic
rifles did not result in an increase in mayhem or murder. Nor did
anything bad happen in Chicago or Washington after the Supreme Court
finally interpreted the constitutional directive that “the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” to mean that
people can actually keep arms.

On Tuesday, the House Judiciary Committee voted 19-11 to force
state governments to give meaning to the right to “bear” arms.
Rep. Cliff Stearns, Florida Republican, drafted legislation to provide
the same nationwide reciprocity for concealed carry licenses as
currently exists for driver’s licenses.

Violent crime has been on the decline as the number of people
carrying guns has soared, so it’s obvious that the anti-Second
Amendment crowd has been lying to us all these years. Crime
cannot be wished away by enacting laws that only restrict what
the law-abiding can do. As this truth sinks in, more gun grabbers
will be converted into gun owners.


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thack45
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 07:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
http://www.cod1.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/s6/ScratchHead.gif Sooo ... cogratulations?
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:35 pm
I seem to recall that in the brief interval between Obama's election and inauguration firearms dealers were running out of guns and ammunition. The disgruntled Rebubs were on a buying spree, convinced that once the gun-hating Democrats had hold of the White House and Congress, this stuff would fast become illegal.

Surprise!!!

Where do wretches like OSD and the rest of the moronic GOP get their silly ideas? We tax-and-spend liberals are getting armed to the teeth. Come ze revolution...!!!
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:40 pm
More predictable horseshit from the NRA and their lackey OmSigDavid
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October 28, 2011 11:17 am ET by Matt Gertz

Earlier this week, we pointed out that Politico and CNN had used a recently-released Gallup poll to falsely claim that "support for gun control" had plummeted to its lowest level in decades.

Now CBS is getting into the game, pushing NRA-friendly talking points based on flawed readings of polling data. This morning on The Early Show, anchor Chris Wragge opened a segment on the polling by declaring that "according to a new poll, most Americans are against" gun control. Wragge claimed that this information "may surprise you." It does, mainly because it isn't true.



As we've noted, Gallup didn't find a majority of Americans opposed gun control. Indeed, according to the poll, 77 percent of respondents want the laws covering the sales of firearms either kept as they are now or made more strict. By this measure, Americans overwhelmingly support gun control.

CBS' bogus report comes as Congress is debating the National-Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, an NRA-backed measure which requires states to honor concealed carry permits issued by every other state, even when the holder would not qualify for a permit under local law. According to polling conducted by a bipartisan team of polling firms, 74 percent of likely voters oppose the legislation.

That doesn't sound like a populace dead set against gun violence prevention measures, but I'm sure the NRA appreciates CBS' efforts to push out their message to the contrary.

The subsequent segment by correspondent Whit Johnson was no better. It was framed around the story of a young woman who, "keeping an open mind," recently went to a shooting range for the first time and is now a gun owner. Johnson linked this story to Gallup's finding that 47 percent of poll respondents say they have a gun in their home, "the highest number Gallup has reported since 1993." Later in the segment, Johnson reported that "the number of firearms-related homicides has dropped dramatically" since 1993, then provided a clip of NRA chief lobbyist Chris Cox claiming that because that statistic has dropped "while gun ownership is at an all-time high," this "destroys the argument from the gun control community that more guns equals more crime."

This argument is fatally flawed for three reasons. First, it ignores the implementation of gun violence prevention measures. In 1993, the Brady Bill was passed into law, providing for a nation-wide system of background checks to prevent criminals and the mentally unstable from getting their hands on guns. While the system is imperfect, nearly two million gun purchase applications have been denied since the bill was signed.

Second, the assumption that gun ownership is actually on the rise is flawed. Gallup recorded findings of 45 percent on that question in 2003, and 44 percent in 2007. The poll has a margin of error of 4 percent. Portraying this as a significant shift doesn't add up.

Gallup's finding is also inconsistent with the far more reliable data from the General Social Survey, the gold standard of survey data. As Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center has noted, this data set indicates that household gun ownership has been on the decline and actually plummeted to its lowest level ever in 2010, with fewer than one third of households reporting that they have a gun in the home.

Finally even if you accept Gallup's numbers at face value, Cox is wrong to claim gun ownership is at "an all-time high." Gallup found 47 percent household gun ownership in 2011, but a whopping 54 percent in 1993. Back then, we had more guns and more gun crime. Since then, we have fewer guns and fewer gun crimes.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:43 pm
The 2'nd amendment is an idea whose time is coming all over the world; it empowers people and depowers governments and control freaks.

You still have tens of thousands of people being killed by snakes in India and elsewhere in the sub continent, which would be impossible in a nation whose people were armed. Like I say, all over the world.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:46 pm
A machete works much better.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:58 pm
@MontereyJack,
Not too many people are going to get close enough to a 10+ foot cobra to kill it with a machete. A 12 gauge shotgun is a different deal altogether.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 09:14 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
A machete works much better.
Not as well as the metalic cone that emerges from a short shotgun.

Its safer to work from a distance.

1 fellow who was bitten by a snake
described it as if his arm were jammed into a furnace
that kept getting hotter and hurting worse,
for many hours on end, but u can test the 2 anti-snake methods if u wanna. Let us know.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 06:34 am
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:
http://www.cod1.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/s6/ScratchHead.gif Sooo ... cogratulations?
Yes; congratulations to the women & to the Democrats





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 06:43 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
I seem to recall that in the brief interval between Obama's election and inauguration firearms dealers were running out of guns and ammunition. The disgruntled Rebubs were on a buying spree, convinced that once the gun-hating Democrats had hold of the White House and Congress, this stuff would fast become illegal.
Wary about the possibility
is a better description than "convinced", as u put it.




Lustig Andrei wrote:
Surprise!!!

Where do wretches like OSD and the rest of the moronic GOP get their silly ideas?
From obama; during his 2008 campaign,
when (publicly) informed of the HELLER decision by the USSC, ominously,
he said: "Well, then we'll see about doing something about the 2nd Amendment."
His voting record was consistently against the principles of self defense.
He has been distracted.




Lustig Andrei wrote:
We tax-and-spend liberals are getting armed to the teeth. Come ze revolution...!!!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 03:04 pm
@MontereyJack,

" Lacky " ?????

I recently reprimanded the NRA and I refused financial support
because of its failure to attack gun control in New Hampshire.





David
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
I wouldn't expect you to hold much faith in anything published in the Washington Times Jack, but geez, even the MediaMutters article says the "predictable horseshit" is coming from CNN, Politico and CBS (all obvious lackeys of the NRA!)

I'm not sure why MediaMutters cares. Oh wait, I forgot that their one mission in life is to report the actual truth. They're totally objective and have no dog in this fight.

So let me rephrase: I don't know why you and Lustig care.

If the American people really overwhelmingly support gun control and abhor gun ownership, who cares what some old Gallup poll says?

If they don't and more and more people are buying guns, then your chances of being killed by one of those guns isn't going to appreciably rise, and David, I'm sure, is convinced they will actually decrease.

So it's all good Jack.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:23 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
So let me rephrase: I don't know why you and Lustig care.


You wrong me, Finn. I really don't care whether the Times article is in error or not. I'm not in favor of more gun control. (I am in favor of better enforcement of existing laws.) But the contest of who is a better liar with statistics leaves me amused.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:54 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
"Figures don t lie, but liars figure."
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
If they don't and more and more people are buying guns, then your chances of being killed by one of those guns isn't going to appreciably rise, and David, I'm sure, is convinced they will actually decrease.
Vermont has never had anti-gun laws.
Vermont has always been near the best of the States,
in terms of low violent crime, as per FBI Statistics.





David
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:59 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
There are three kinds of liars: Liars, damned liars and statisticians.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 05:07 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I once knew a clerk who got fired from the NY Stock Exchange
when it was discovered (fingerprint check) that he had stolen a car
as a teenager, long before.

I coud not find it in my heart to tell him that he must
expose himself to being helpless in the face of predatory violence
( a potential death sentence ) because of his indiscretion.

Do u believe in "equal protection of the laws "??? I do.





David
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 05:20 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
So let me rephrase: I don't know why you and Lustig care.


You wrong me, Finn. I really don't care whether the Times article is in error or not. I'm not in favor of more gun control. (I am in favor of better enforcement of existing laws.) But the contest of who is a better liar with statistics leaves me amused.


Then I apologize for pairing you with Jack
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