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some kind of syndrome or something else? please help

 
 
mana702
 
Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 12:47 pm
my daughter is 3 in june, she cant walk cant talk, has hypotonia, sleep is really bad, been given melatonin but that doesn't work one bit. she drools, bites everything she can. her ears are really soft, u can double fold them and are low set, she has no bridge to her nose.her eyes are a little wide spaced. she don't really have tears when she cries. her teeth are really spaced out. she cant feed herself with a spoon but can finger food, cant drink from beaker or cup, only a baby bottle. she chews abit but would rather just swallow which makes her choke. cant un/dress herself, cant go on potty. she doesn't understand anything, so its hard to teach her right from wrong, she hardly feels pain. she shakes her head as we say no really fast from side to side, she tightens her hands and arms an legs to straight alot. she makes this crow like sound or says something like EEEEEEEEEEE really loud alot, and has really bad temper tantrums (we think she is frustrated because we don't understand what she wants) but she throws things hits out, bites herself bites others, kicks out. she doesn't like it when there's alot of noise or if people around are arguing, laughing loud etc. but when shes happy she is happy, big smiles on her face, hugs kisses the lot.she loves her books, well turning the pages alot and her press down top toy and music, and will stop doing anything if her favorite song kings of leon sex on fire comes on??? she has a bad developmental delay.

she has been tested for cerebral palsy and angleman syndrome but they came back ok.

i was wondering if any of this sounds familiar to anyone or if you know what it could be? im looking into everything myself as we have to wait 6 months every time to see her doctor.

please help. thanks
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 01:01 pm
@mana702,
It doesn't sound familiar to me unfortunately, sounds like a lot to deal with!

One thought I had though is maybe teaching her American Sign Language to express herself? Babies can sign before they can talk and ASL has been shown to be useful with various kinds of language/ communication disabilities, even when hearing is normal.

edit: when I say "teach" I mean really basic stuff, it sounds like she has serious delays and I'm not expecting that she'd be able to suddenly learn a whole language. Just stuff like "hungry" or "more," maybe just 3-4 words to start and go from there.
mana702
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 01:35 pm
@sozobe,
thanks for your reply, we have had a speech therapist trying get her do different things including sign language, nothing works, she doesnt even understand the differece between yes and no. i just want to get to the bottom of it all, i feel like im hitting a dead end and no one cares espeacily her doctor.....
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 02:01 pm
@mana702,
I've been looking up a few syndromes but none quite fits, and, I'm not an m.d. to even guess.
What's your situation? Not to be nosy, but I'm wondering if you could get to a university with a medical school and take her to one of the children's clinics at their medical center. They tend to have specialists on staff, and if you are in the US and have medicaid, the costs may be minimal.

If you call and describe your child's condition to the clinic you call, you may get a relatively early appointment instead of waiting months.
mana702
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 02:09 pm
@ossobuco,
thanks for your reply.. im in the uk, we have asked for a second opinion because her doctor is saying its just a development delay, but surely if it was just that she wouldnt be like that. some days are really hard with her, im 23 and have a 5 month old aswell, my parents help out alot, i just want to know whats wrong with my princess and if there is anything that could help her in any way
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 02:16 pm
@mana702,
Oh, I'm sorry to hear about the waiting time, what a predicament.

I tried looking up on Mayo Clinic's symptoms list (their lists for other kinds of things are often useful as a start), and at least as far as I could see, they only had the most ordinary childhood symptoms listings.

Maybe someone else will post other suggestions on how to search some of this out.
mana702
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 02:24 pm
@ossobuco,
thanks for your time anyway, i really appreciate it
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 02:54 pm
@mana702,
Well, good luck, and keep watching this thread as someone more in the know of the system over there may show up, or may know where you can research over there. (Hmm, a medical library? a regular library with a good librarian? - but wait, you have your hands full already.)
aidan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:06 pm
@mana702,
I would ask the doctor about this spectrum of developmental disorders:
Quote:

Pervasive Development Disorders (PPDs

•Introduction to pervasive developmental disorders
•What conditions are considered pervasive development disorders (PDDs)? ◦Autism
◦Asperger's syndrome
◦Childhood disintegrative disorder
◦Rett's syndrome
◦Pervasive development disorder not otherwise specified (PDDNOS)

◦Find a local Developmental-Behavioral Pediatrician in your town
•What are the symptoms of pervasive development disorders?
•What causes pervasive development disorders?
•How common are pervasive development disorders? •How are pervasive development disorders diagnosed?
•How are pervasive development disorders treated?
•What research is being done on pervasive development disorders?
•What is the outlook for people with pervasive development disorders?
•Can pervasive developmental disorders be prevented?

Introduction to pervasive developmental disorders
The term "pervasive development disorders," also called PDDs, refers to a group of conditions that involve delays in the development of many basic skills, most notably the ability to socialize with others, to communicate, and to use imagination.
Children with these conditions often are confused in their thinking and generally have problems understanding the world around them.
Because these conditions typically are identified in children around 3 years of age -- a critical period in a child's development -- they are called development disorders.
Although the condition begins far earlier than 3 years of age, parents often do not notice a problem until the child is a toddler who is not walking, talking, or developing as well as other children of the same age.

What Conditions Are Considered Pervasive Development Disorders?
There are five types of pervasive development disorders:

•Autism: Children with autism have problems with social interaction, pretend play, and communication. They also have a limited range of activities and interests. Many (nearly 75%) of children with autism also have some degree of mental retardation.

•Asperger's syndrome: Like children with autism, children with Asperger's syndrome have difficulty with social interaction and communication, and have a narrow range of interests. However, children with Asperger's have average or above average intelligence, and develop normally in the areas of language and cognition (the mental processes related to thinking and learning). Children with Asperger's often also have difficulty concentrating and may have poor coordination.

•Childhood disintegrative disorder: Children with this rare condition begin their development normally in all areas, physical and mental. At some point, usually between 2 and 10 years of age, a child with this illness loses many of the skills he or she has developed.
In addition to the loss of social and language skills, a child with disintegrative disorder may lose control of other functions, including bowel and bladder control.

•Rett's syndrome: Children with this very rare disorder have the symptoms associated with a PDD and also suffer problems with physical development. They generally suffer the loss of many motor or movement, skills -- such as walking and use of their hands -- and develop poor coordination.
This condition has been linked to a defect on the X chromosome, so it almost always affects girls.

•Pervasive development disorder not otherwise specified (PDDNOS):
This category is used to refer to children who have significant problems with communication and play, and some difficulty interacting with others, but are too social to be considered autistic.

URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-4586094
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:10 pm
@ossobuco,
Replying to myself, and hi, Adrian, glad you're here, I'm thinking that even if we - or you via a library or websites - come up with some possibilities, it leaves you with no one to talk it out with.

Wish I knew more about dealing with your system over there - have enough trouble with our own in the US.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:17 pm
just because it's the single most common cause of developmental delays known I include;

Fragile X includes:

fragile X syndrome (FXS), the most common cause of inherited mental impairment. This impairment can range from learning disabilities to more severe cognitive or intellectual disabilities. (Sometimes referred to as mental retardation.) FXS is the most common known cause of autism or "autistic-like" behaviors. Symptoms also can include characteristic physical and behavioral features and delays in speech and language development.

fragile X-associated tremor/ataxia syndrome (FXTAS), a condition which affects balance, tremor and memory in some older male gene carriers.

fragile X-associated primary ovarian insufficiency (FXPOI), a problem with ovarian function which can lead to infertility and early menopause in some female gene carriers.

Some gene carriers do not exhibit any of these features. To learn more about carriers click here.

Fragile X can be passed on in a family by individuals who have no apparent signs of this genetic condition. In some families a number of family members appear to be affected, whereas in other families a newly diagnosed individual may be the first family member to exhibit symptoms.

Since 1984, The National Fragile X Foundation (NFXF) has been helping individuals with Fragile X, their families, and the professionals who work with them. As research into Fragile X continues, our understanding of who it affects and how it affects them will grow. The NFXF is committed to: 1) supporting and funding all efforts that will increase awareness, 2) improving education, 3) advancing research toward improved treatments and an ultimate cure, and 4) keeping the Fragile X community always well-informed about the progress of these efforts.

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Izzie
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:27 pm
@mana702,
Hello Mana

Firstly, welcome to A2K and hopefully, even tho we can’t help you in “real” terms, knowing you have somewhere to vent to, may help with coping at the moment.

It’s terribly difficult when you can’t get answers to your questions – frustrating to the max and it all seems too much to deal with. Add onto that a 5 month old baby and your every day ‘stuff’, it must be very hard for you and yours.

I’m not medical in any way and don’t recognise all the symptoms you have described… but…

tho I’m not an advocate of the system in our country, I do believe that if you can push the medics further that we have a NHS that can help and there are some incredible child docs in this country – it’s finding the right person to get on side.

So – do you have your health visitor regularly visiting for your daughter and for your baby?

When you say doctor – do you mean your GP or the consultant paediatrician?


There is a lot in your first post that absolutely says to me that your daughter is frustrated – being unable to communicate her needs is a sure sign for the reactions she has – of course, there could be a medical condition as well.

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she shakes her head as we say no really fast from side to side, she tightens her hands and arms an legs to straight alot. she makes this crow like sound or says something like EEEEEEEEEEE really loud alot, and has really bad temper tantrums (we think she is frustrated because we don't understand what she wants) but she throws things hits out, bites herself bites others, kicks out. she doesn't like it when there's alot of noise or if people around are arguing, laughing loud etc.


I think you do understand that if she’s not able to communicate – the only way she can react is by doing the above.

With a young baby in the house there is gonna be plenty of unpredictable noise and as baby grows and starts moving around more, it will get more unpredictable – this will be harder for your little girl so until she develops more, trying to keep everything as calm as possible in the house would be my advice. Easy advice to give, but not so easy to do.

I’m assuming that if your daughter has been tested for Angelman Syndrome that you must have a paediatrician – he/she is the person that you need to push a little harder here – but your health visitor and GP need to be onboard to do that. Certainly, you have a right to a second opinion. I believe your GP is the only one that can do this referral.

Unfortunately, the system here is not too good with listening to parents when a diagnosis is not cut and dried – it takes a lot of fighting to get people to listen – but try not to give up hope that someone will come through.

What other support do you have within the home?

Do you have friends who help you out or does your daughter find it hard to be with strangers?

From what you have stated above, your daughter is developmentally delayed – but that doesn’t help you right now – it’s also doesn’t mean that it will always be this difficult – but I can imagine that a neurotypical future seems a very long ways away - when a child can’t communicate, as you know when trying to get answers from the docs – the frustration mounts up - but she isn’t able to verbalise this.

Getting you support, physical and mental support for yourself would, I believe, help.

One of the suggestions above from Sozobe about ASL is a really good suggestion – we have BSL here and if your daughter is able to learn the basics, perhaps that could help her communicate. Can you tell me what part of the UK you are in… not your address or town – but the county and I will see if I can resource some information for you about this and other ideas.

Vent when you need to and check back here when you can and if you’re comfortable talking – there are a lot of parents and supportive folk here and they can also give you advice.

Take good care of yourself Mana.
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jespah
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:57 pm
@mana702,
mana702 wrote:

my daughter is 3 in june...her eyes are a little wide spaced. ... she makes this crow like sound or says something like EEEEEEEEEEE really loud alot...
i was wondering if any of this sounds familiar to anyone or if you know what it could be? im looking into everything myself as we have to wait 6 months every time to see her doctor.

please help. thanks


I am no doctor but you might want to ask for a test for Cri du Chat.

And hang in there. I'm sorry it's taking as long as it is. Hoping for as good an outcome for you and your daughter, as possible.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 03:58 pm
@mana702,
I'll post one thing I found that sounds partly possible and partly off base.

Meantime, I'm so glad Izzie posted. Not to tell her story, but she has been around the block with NHS and is a person to listen to. Good woman besides that.

http://www.fpwr.org/about-prader-willi-syndrome


adds - re Cri du Chat:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002560/
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 05:52 pm
@ossobuco,
If that last one is it, that is a hard diagnosis and you will need help way before six months from now to deal with it.
Maybe Izzie can find a referral re getting better help whatever is going on (I hope).

Adds, whatever it is, love to your princess.
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Izzie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 06:48 am
www.cgkp.org.uk/info/ld

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Parents’ guide to the investigation of children with developmental delay

You have been given this leaflet to give you more information about what might happen during the assessment of your child’s developmental delay.

What is developmental delay?

Developmental delay is the term used when a child does not progress as expected. For example, your child’s speech may lag behind other children. Or, your child may have been slow to learn to walk. In some children, developmental delay is suspected soon after birth because of feeding difficulties or unusual muscle-tone. In other children, developmental delay is only suspected much later when learning or behavioural difficulties surface at school.


What causes developmental delay?


There are many different causes for developmental delay. It is a common condition affecting 1-3% of the population. The delay may be caused by a child’s genetic makeup (eg Down syndrome), by problems during pregnancy (eg infection), around the time of delivery, especially if very premature (eg bleeding in the brain), early infancy (eg meningitis) or later in childhood (eg head injury). A cause can be found in about half of cases.

Why can it be useful to find a cause?

There are a number of benefits for you and your child to finding out what mightbe causing the developmental delay. These include:

• Helping your child’s health professionals to understand the condition and how it may affect your child in the future
• Helping your child’s health and education and social care professionals to find the best ways to care for your child
• Helping you to find the best way to care for your child
• Helping you, as parents, make contact with a support group and other families
• Addressing concerns you might have about events that happened before your child was born
• Helping you find out whether any future children you or your family have could also have the condition.

A specific diagnosis can be emotionally tough on brothers and sisters too and, especially if the condition is inherited, tensions in the wider family can arise. Emotions experienced by parents range widely but commonly include relief, shock, numbness, grief and guilt. If you feel this way, then contact your health visitor or GP. In time, once the shock has worn off, most families believe that it was worth investigating the cause of their child’s developmental delay. Parents report a sense of ‘being able to move on’.

What if there is no diagnosis?

In spite of investigations, approximately half of children with developmental delay will not receive a specific name for their condition. In those cases where a name is not given, it is common for parents to have a mixture of feelings :

• relief that their child does not have the condition that was being tested for
• disappointment/frustration that a cause has not been found
• isolation that they don’t know anyone else whose child has the same condition

Even if there is no diagnosis, the paediatrician or geneticist may be able to say what the most likely cause of your child’s developmental delay is eg an event during pregnancy or a genetic condition. As medical knowledge improves, you may be given the chance to test your child again. It is important to remember that, with or without a diagnosis, services for your child will not be affected.

And finally….

Remember that developmental delay does not stop a child from having a full and rewarding life.
Your child's health and educational professionals aim to help your child have a life as enjoyable and fulfilling as possible. If you do not understand anything in this leaflet, contact your health visitor. Your health visitor may also be able to put you in contact with a relevant support group.

You may also wish to contact Contact a Family a national charity who provides information and support links for families with disabled children. Ph 0808 808 3555 : web www.cafamily.org.uk
Background information on this guide can be found at www.cgkp.org.uk/info/ld




I contacted the www.cafamily.org.uk on 0808 808 3555 – this is a freephone number and the person I spoke with was hugely helpful and understanding. He pointed me in the direction of page 13 of this webpage - http://www.cafamily.org.uk/pdfs/NHS_factsheet.pdf

It is a lot of reading but, I feel, worth it to get more information.

Re asking for a second opinion in the UK – it states the following:
(page 13 of the pdf)

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What do I do if I would like a second opinion? You can ask for a second opinion (also known as a further opinion) if you’re not satisfied with the advice you’ve received or the treatment that’s been offered to you by your GP, consultant or other medical practitioner. A medical practitioner may also ask for a further opinion from colleagues when a case is unusually complex or difficult.

You have no legal right to a second opinion. But a request for a second opinion is rarely refused unless there is sufficient reason or the request is not considered necessary. You can’t insist on seeing a particular expert but you shouldn’t be referred to someone you don’t wish to see.

The responsibility for finding a suitable medical practitioner to give a second opinion rests with the referring GP, but you can also make a request for a second opinion to the medical practitioner who provided initial advice. You should try to discuss your reasons for wanting a second opinion with the first medical practitioner in case it’s an issue that can be resolved without a second opinion.

Waiting for a second opinion A second opinion isn’t usually considered a priority case and you may find that you have to wait some time for an appointment. It could also mean having to travel to a different hospital.



I also spoke with my son’s paediatrician this morning at Derriford and gave him a quick brief of what you had posted. He wished you to know that he was sorry that you weren’t getting the support that you needed from your current paediatrician but did say that it is so very difficult to diagnose developmental syndromes as it is rather like looking at a crystal ball – again, if it’s not cut and dried, it’s hard to determine other than “waiting”. He did state that you would need to get your GP to refer you to another paediatrician for a second opinion and that you have the right to ask for a referral to a geneticist. If you are concerned about your daughters dysmorphic features (wide set eyes, ears etc), a geneticist would be able to take all the information your provide and basically input this data into a computer which would then list possible syndromes - then you work on from there - further testing / investigations etc. He said it can be frightening for a lot of parents to have this sort of information because they really don't know exactly what will happen in the future and often-times cannot predict... but for some, if there is a diagnosis, it can give you / them enough information to prepare for dealing with the development and what you can be likely to expect.

Mana, I must say to you that finding out information on the internet can be very dangerous as it can put all sorts of ideas into your head, for possible diagnoses that are not/may not be relevant. However, I do completely understand thru my own experiences that “no” information is worse than “some” information. You have to weigh up very carefully anything that is said on the internet – the people that you MUST listen to are the people who have seen, met and understand your daughter’s medical needs. The internet can throw up a whole array of “it could be this’s”…and it can get very scary reading through a bunch of information – please do remember that we aren’t doctors here, but we can try and support you and give you productive information for the next steps you wish to take. There’s a bunch of good folk here who have helped me over the years tremendously - I maybe wouldn't have made it through the worst times without their collective strength.

I would wholly recommend that you contact this helpline: http://www.cafamily.org.uk/families/adviceandsupport/helpline.html and have a chat with these people. They can advise you of the possibility of getting some help within the home and the correct procedures for requesting further referrals and perhaps possibly financial assistance via DLA so that you can get some respite care – the man I spoke to was soooo helpful and he assures me that whomever you talk to will be able to point you in the right direction for further support. They, like us, are not able to diagnose – but right now, having a diagnosis is not critical, tho for long term it will be of help in that forewarned is forearmed. Right now – getting you some support and to feel as tho you have a little more control of the situation, I feel, is more important. You can only do this with correct information and if you are lucky – you will find that one or medical people who can make a difference to your daughter’s… and your… life.

In your area: http://www.cafamily.org.uk/inyourarea/index.html


If you do decide to seek a second opinion and go to your GP (your health visitor can support you with this) – then do take someone else with you – your parents, or whomever – so that you are able to have someone in your corner when you meet the GP. If your parents help out with your daughter now, they would be good advocates for you and your daughter when you meet with the GP. If/When you book the appointment - ask the receptionist for a "double" appointment so that you will not be rushed when talking to the GP. Tell him/her also the effect that this is having on you - that you need some assistance with getting to grips with this - especially as you have a wee baby to look after too. If Mom or Dad can go with you... that would be good.

If you write out the request… a simple letter stating
“Dear Doctor,
I would like to request a second opinion from another paediatrician re: my daughter and a referral with a geneticist at the earliest convenience. I am requesting this because I feel my daughters developmental delay needs to be further investigated for the following reasons:
……… ……… ……… (list your concerns).
Yours sincerely, Mana”

hand that to him when you go in and your GP will have it in writing and it will be kept on fiel. It would be unlikely, according to the info I’ve been given, that they will refuse this request. Remember, the helpline folk on the above number can confirm to you what procedure to take - so please do call them if you can.

I hope this will be of some help.


<note: I'm not medical or any way affiliated with the organisation mentioned above - their info came up on a google search for developmental delay support groups>
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