hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 04:13 pm
@cyprose,
Quote:
Humans are primal in nature right?


I just realised how subjective that assumption is. What is primal?

So a quick search gives me:

cardinal: serving as an essential component; "a cardinal rule"; "the central cause of the problem"; "an example that was fundamental to the argument"; "computers are fundamental to modern industrial structure"

aboriginal: having existed from the beginning; in an earliest or original stage or state; "aboriginal forests"; "primal eras before the appearance of life on earth"; "the forest primeval"; "primordial matter"; "primordial forms of life"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Being the first in time, or history; Being of greatest importance; primary
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/primal

I think you meant something quite different - it's a weighted word with different connotations for different people.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 06:37 pm
@cyprose,
cyprose wrote:

Humans are primal in nature right?
would a man raised in the wild and one raised with 'guidance' be any different morally?
Then there comes the question of Higher Guidance,from where did we learn to be morally upright if not for higher guidance?



Clearly, the particular morality a person has, is taught. But the tendency to act morally is innate. It is like being able to play chess. The capacity to play chess is innate in people (but not in animals). But the ability to play chess has to be taught. Everyone has the capacity; but not everyone has the ability.
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:31 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy wrote:

cyprose wrote:

Humans are primal in nature right?
would a man raised in the wild and one raised with 'guidance' be any different morally?
Then there comes the question of Higher Guidance,from where did we learn to be morally upright if not for higher guidance?



Clearly, the particular morality a person has, is taught. But the tendency to act morally is innate. It is like being able to play chess. The capacity to play chess is innate in people (but not in animals). But the ability to play chess has to be taught. Everyone has the capacity; but not everyone has the ability.
Morality can be untaught, and perhaps fine tuned; but nothing can give people who are unconnected to humanity that connection... Look at perhaps the most immoral of people: Serial killers... Death, the enemy of all of us holds a morbid fascination for them, and they do not feel in any sense the pain they cause... They have no sympathy or empathy... Even their own pain is distant from them, and they cannot frame it as part of the tragedy of life, that all must suffer death for life...

Even when warfare and feud were more or less constant mercy was the rule... It may have been to fuel revenge that adoptions were so common among the Native Americans, but they would not hesitate to adopt even hardened enemies into their groups, and children were certain to be adopted... Even when they would kill in the most abusive fashion possible it was a warning to their own of what awaited them in the enemies hands... Given a chance, people sought peace, and it may seem strange that people could go from bloodshed of their enemies to lunch with them so quickly, but being moral they wished to see their enemies as human and friends rather than having the scourge of war...

Disconnected people cannot be moralized, and we have far to many in this society... Think of the ease with which officials send soldiers to kill and die... They cannot conceive of the pain and injury they do... They make an estimation of the value in votes positive and negative and give the order accordingly... They reduce human life to a price they can either avoid or try to pay... There is no sympathy, no connection... They are immoral...
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