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Qur'an burning: Cult leader bully Terry Jones set up German base in quest to 'awaken' Europe

 
 
Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 03:36 pm
They should keep the wacky bully away from the Iman in New York or he will make things worse. ---BBB

Qur'an burning: Terry Jones set up German base in quest to 'awaken' Europe
guardian.co.uk
Thursday 9 September 2010

Fundamentalist preacher left Cologne in disgrace after being accused of using fear and control to run sect-like movement

When he arrived in Germany on what he called his "God-sent" mission in 1982, charismatic bible fundamentalist Terry Jones came with a message of hope, promising to show his followers the "riches of the kingdom of God".

Germany, he said, was "central" to his plans to lead the "Christian awakening of Europe".

At prayer rallies that were used as recruitment drives, congregations dropped to their knees in worship or danced ecstatically in the aisles, so taken were they by him.

But when Jones left Cologne 26 years later it was as a disgraced preacher who was accused of running a sect-like community with an iron fist, forcing members to give him a percentage of their earnings, making them work for little or no money and causing the breakup of families and friendships. He also faked a title as "Doctor of Theology", for which he was fined.

As tension mounted ahead of Jones's plan to burn Qur'ans at his Florida church, it emerged that he had been dismissed by the board of the Christian Community of Cologne in 2008 after years of strife.

Andrew Schäfer, an official sect monitor for the protestant church in Germany's Rhine region who has closely observed the activities of the community, said Jones had "enormous manipulative potential" and believes that his failure in Germany led to his increased desire to achieve fame and notoriety in Florida.

"He has clearly not been able to cope with the immense loss of his power and significance," said Schäfer.

Bankrolled by the late US businessman Donald Northrup, the founder of the Dove World Outreach Centre in Gainsville, Florida, that Jones now leads, the pastor's brief was to establish a branch of the community of Gainsville in the west German city.

New recruits were drawn to the flamboyant, brash American with his trademark moustache and gangly frame. Jones, who had brought his wife, Sylvia, and their three children with him, liked to describe himself as a pioneer whose goal it was to "re-establish the kingdom of God on Earth". He promised that he would heal people and bring new vigour and meaning to their lives.

"He was very charismatic," said a former member of the CGK who left in the mid-2000s and identified himself only as Thomas. "How else did he manage to recruit 1,000 members? And how else do you explain that since he's left the church's numbers have dwindled to around 60?"

Jones had hoped to replicate the community across Europe. "His goal had been to awaken the whole of Europe," said Schäfer. "But in truth he never got beyond Cologne."

The sense of hope with which the community had initially garnered its members began to crumble, replaced instead by a climate of fear and control. "Spiritual abuse as well as economic and psychological dependence were run of the mill," Schäfer added.

"He was certainly not the type of pastor who approaches everyone and looks after them," said another former member who asked not to be named.

Among the numerous documented reports of the ways in which he used to allegedly manipulate members were demands for money, as well as complete commitment to the community. Members were reportedly forced to work in the community's so-called Lisa Jones shops, named after his first wife, which sold and distributed secondhand clothes and furniture.

The members reportedly worked long hours, lived on next to no wages and had no health insurance despite this being required of all German employers.

Members were forced to review relationships with family and friends and in some cases to break up with partners. Parents were reportedly encouraged to beat their children because, said Jones, it was "God's will".

Those in the group say that Jones became increasingly radical over the years. He offered to help homosexual people "pray away" their "sins". Later he directed his attention more towards condemning Islam. He warned the congregation they could be attacked by Muslims at any time. "Some people lived in real fear that we really would be attacked by Muslims during the religious services," said former member Thomas.

"He didn't put the biblical values and Christianity at the forefront, rather his own person," said Stephan Baar, the deputy leader of the community.

"Looking back," said Thomas Muller, another community member, "you have to say that this man had an exaggerated need to be admired, which is probably why he came up with this idea [to burn the Qur'ans]."

Baar was quick to disown Jones. "We distance ourselves from this plan of his and don't want to be seen to have anything to do with it," he said.

Asked if he thought Jones would carry out the Qur'an burning, he replied: "Terry Jones is someone who carries things through to the very end, because he sees it as God's will."
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 03:48 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
This cult leader reminds me of the Jones Town mass suicide/murders.
BBB


Jonestown was the informal name for the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project, an intentional community in northwestern Guyana formed by the Peoples Temple, an American cult led by Jim Jones. It became internationally notorious when, on November 18, 1978, 918 people died in the settlement as well as in a nearby airstrip and in Georgetown, Guyana's capital. The name of the settlement became synonymous with the incidents at those locations.

A total of 909 Temple members died in Jonestown, all but two from apparent cyanide poisoning, in an event termed "revolutionary suicide" by Jones and some members on an audio tape of the event and in prior discussions. The poisonings in Jonestown followed the murder of five others by Temple members at a nearby Port Kaituma airstrip. The victims included Congressman Leo Ryan, the first and only Congressman assassinated in the line of duty in the history of the United States. Four other Temple members died in Georgetown at Jones' command.

To the extent the actions in Jonestown were viewed as a mass suicide, it is the largest such event in modern history and resulted in the largest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the events of September 11, 2001.[
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 04:09 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
The Media is driving me nuts with their TV time about Terry Jones. Don't they realize he is a con man cult abuser.

Wise up, Media. You have fallen into his scam.

BBB
Eva
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 06:02 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Yes! Yes! That's what I've been saying all week!

This is a small-time preacher who came up with an idea that could take him to the big time. All he needed was for the media and public to fall for it. And they did. Good luck getting him out of the spotlight now. He's right where he wants to be. <sigh>
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 06:05 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Quote:
"He was very charismatic," said a former member of the CGK who left in the mid-2000s and identified himself only as Thomas...


On the other hand, this certainly explains why Thomas is always so quick to criticize Christians around here. I would be, too. Laughing
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Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 06:47 pm
Pastor Pyro cancelled the Koran burning after a call from Sec'y. of Defense Gates, per the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/us/10obama.html?_r=1&amp;hp
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 06:57 pm
@Irishk,
HE said it was conditional on the NYC mosque being moved, which he says they agreed to, they say they did not agree.

Presumably it is back on.

Quote:
GAINESVILLE, Fla. – The anti-Muslim leader of a tiny Florida church says he was lied to and is rethinking his decision to cancel burning Qurans to mark 9/11.

Pastor Terry Jones earlier Thursday had backed off his threat to burn the Quran after he said he was promised that a planned Islamic center and mosque would be moved away from New York's ground zero. Muslim leaders denied there was such a deal.

Later outside his church he said that the imam he thought he made the deal with "clearly, clearly lied to us" about moving the mosque.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/quran_burning;_ylt=AokgB3jwGwgYzQQM_nQkh3as0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNkdnZnZmFyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTEwL3F1cmFuX2J1cm5pbmcEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNwYXN0b3JzYXlzcXU-
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 08:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
Of course it's back on. The President and the Pope haven't called yet. Can't stop the PR train now.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 08:53 pm
@engineer,
It is likely going to take an invite to the White House to stop this, and lucky for us Obama is stupid enough to do it.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:25 pm
It is hard to fathom how and why the media has latched onto this one little man with a congregation of about fifty and made him one of the biggest news items of the day.

The media stoked the Mosque issue and they continue now with this idiocy.

A blogger has discovered a link with Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, but the mainline media has not investigated to find this information.

We live in dangerous times in a crazy world.
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:43 pm
@Intrepid,
If it bleeds, it leads. I agree it's crazy.

Associated Press said earlier today that if Jones went ahead with it on Saturday, they wouldn't cover it, nor report on it. Fox made the same self-censoring statement.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:45 pm
@Irishk,
They sensationalize even with those comments. They seem to fan the flames and then step away from the fire lest they get burned.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:49 pm
I had posted a link about Jones' time and his difficulties in Germany already yesterday morning on both other threads.

His financial behaviour (regarding his "charities") was investigated, he had been prosecuted for using wrongly an academic degree ....

Spiegel report from 08.09.2010:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,716409,00.html
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Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:54 pm
@Intrepid,
We saw the same thing with the cartoons of Muhammad in the Danish newspaper. Again when there was a rumor of mistreatment of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay.

The protests and riots in the current case started a few days ago, so no act has to actually occur, it seems, but just the hint of one.

Even if this current wacko doesn't follow through with his plans, there's another one lined up right behind him -- if not here, then somewhere else.
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