'Net censorship: a necessary precaution or a repression?

drÃ²m_et_rÃªve wrote:

When I buy a domain name and do the coding myself, however, there will be no censorship.

Where do you plan to host it? I know of no host in a country with no laws that could censor you.

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So, apart from getting rid of spammers/haters/rapists, are you for GOVERNMENT censorship, for that's the kind of censorship that I'm talking about.

Here's where this get's confusing.

Those prohibitions have nothing to do with the government. They are dictated by the persons whose resources you are using.

The government has no law against spamming (unless you illegally use someone else's resources).

The government has no law against hate speech.

The government has no law against discussing rape etc.

If you are talking about governmental censorship of the internet it has really never happened in the USA.

It has happened in China but the US government has not censored any part of the internet (though they do reserve the right to install censoring software on their own computers).

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Dang, Bear didn't invite me to the party...and I thought he wanted me to be a drinkin' buddy.

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Censorship will never stop people from doing as the want to

dròm_et_rêve- True, but I don't think that that is the issue. Some people won't stop stealing, or killing people, but that is not a reason to make robbery or murder legal.

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There are very few hosts with no censorship, I concur. I could use Publius, although that isn't a domain.

Don't get me wrong; I respect the way that you have censored this site, and I appreciate that you have done it for the better. I am not one of these people who say 'Everyone should be allowed to do everything.' Like Phoenix, what I oppose is Government censorship.

"Those prohibitions have nothing to do with the government. They are dictated by the persons whose resources you are using. "

Yes, I know, but although there's no slavery in Britain, that doesn't mean that I cannot have a strong stance against it. One must admit that, with the ensuing 'War on terror,' the chances of Governmental control of the Internet are increasing. In Britain, the Establishment had control over British internet sites, as none were allowed to say what Prince Charles did. The general concensus is still in the dark about what he did, even though all the media know.

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I have an interesting story to share.

In Brazil I operated a small ISP, I used it for fun (mainly for hosting gaming servers) but I also dedicated some resources to a hacking group ("hacktivists") determined to circumvent China's political censorship.

So i ran a proxy server, meaning that people in countries where the government practices political censorship could access my servers for free, and my servers would deliver them the censored content.

I ceased to provide this service for another reason. People started abusing it and using it to circumvent laws against things like terrorism and such.

After 9/11 many of these open relays were closed (voluntarily) because they realized they were providing resources for criminals.

I do not in any way support political censorship.

I do support other "censorship".

For example, I wish spam were illegal. I want it censored because I do not consider it free speech (just like Americans rejected the notion that telemarketing is "free speech").

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I do not in any way support political censorship.

I do support other "censorship".

I am in total agreement with you on that!

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Kewl, thing is, people almost invariably confuse the two.

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Maybe it can best be expressed like this:

I have no problem with "censorship" but I support freedom of speech.

Said freedom is very specific, and ends where the right to peaceful coexistence begins.

For example, it may be a form of expression to spam, but I don't consider it protected free speech.

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Cav forgive me...a strictly accidental oversight.....
we can roast the goats after the show....can you whip up a sauce that will enhance without masking the taste of the dip they've already been in? Laughing

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

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I do not in any way support political censorship.

I do support other "censorship".

Can't agree with you more.

Your dealings in Brazil are interesting, but someone always has to spoil things... as long as man is man, people will take advantage.

I agree with Bear, in that people should be allowed to view what they want to view. If Bear were to want to watch Greek women up to tricks, let him. It would do no harm but to himself, perhaps. If I don't want to watch Greek women up to tricks, let me choose not to do so. On these grounds, I agree with Phoenix and Craven: one should not tolerate Spam. Spam is an infliction of someone else's material onto someone else who perhaps doesn't want to look at it. It clogs up servers, it makes e-mail twice as slow to load, and it's just generally annoying. When I open up my mail in the morning, I do not want e-mail about porn (grrr!) or how to increase or decrease breast or penis size. This breaks the 'trust' principle, of which I have talked. The Governments should reprimand spammers.

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"people should be allowed to view what they want to view"

What if that infringes on the rights of others to live?

E.g. should one have the right to view snuff films? Thereby providing a market for the murder of women?

And what about child pornography? What about digitally created child pornography? Despite being sold as "victimless" it will affect the real victims in that police will not be able to tell the difference.

Those are recently fought legal battles.

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I have received so many penis enlargement emails that I'm starting to get a complex....I wonder if there's some word out on the street.....

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I have received so many penis enlargement emails that I'm starting to get a complex....I wonder if there's some word out on the street.....

I did warn you abt the peris of flashing Twisted Evil

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Craven- I think that the real problem is that technology is moving so fast, that many of the laws that are on the books didn't even consider an internet that is literally bursting with information. I think that it will take some time before the laws catch up with the reality!

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Ah, but I didn't mix the two. I was talking about /government/ control from the start, but I used a general title to fire up more expanse, more things to consider

Craven de Kere wrote:

"people should be allowed to view what they want to view"

What if that infringes on the rights of others to live?

And what about child pornography? What about digitally created child pornography? Despite being sold as "victimless" it will affect the real victims in that police will not be able to tell the difference.

If you read carefully, you would have noticed this:

I said wrote:

if their choice will be one that will not physically harm others

Both will harm others; the initial is sickening and will harm the families involved, the latter is sickening and will involve children and the police. Plus, if I be anti-exploitation and anti-porn, which I am, (although I don't mind others watching Adult stuff), what's the chance that I will support something as sickening as that. If something were to involve but one person, rather than others, fine. Both cases breach my maxim: choose for yourself, but never choose for those around you. Choosing for other people would be a) wrong and b) catastrophic.

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Gautam wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I have received so many penis enlargement emails that I'm starting to get a complex....I wonder if there's some word out on the street.....

I did warn you abt the peris of flashing

Hahahaha; everyone here brightens up even the worst of my days. As for this, at least you don't get 'transform your gender with our experts in Amsterdam' or copious viagra ads. Damn those spammers!

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Nah, don't worry about it, BPB. I get the same ads! Heeheehee.... Smile

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Eva wrote:

Nah, don't worry about it, BPB. I get the same ads! Heeheehee....

Roughly on the subject of unwanted crap:

I have a good pop-up blocker, but something continues to get through it. 'Jewish singles.' Yes, every day, an invitation saying 'Jewish singles: for a Kosher shag.' Why the hell is this getting through??? Very Happy

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"A Kosher shag..." Somehow, that makes me laugh. I suppose it couldn't have been "A Kosher pork" eh? Laughing

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cavfancier wrote:

"A Kosher shag..." Somehow, that makes me laugh. I suppose it couldn't have been "A Kosher pork" eh?

Oh God...

that's a good one.

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