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Where the Bible originated from and what about the missing parts?

 
 
Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:04 pm
I know the Bible is inspired by God and that 40 men wrote different parts of the Bible and that it was all put together. But what about the parts that weren't put in the Bible? How do we know that they didn't leave out important parts or that they didn't pick and chose what parts to put in the Bible to make it seem true? What books did they not put in the Bible and why? And who decided what books went into the Bible?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:05 pm
@soccer12,
Ah, you forgot the word 'supposedly.' You don't know that the Bible was inspired by God at all.

Cycloptichorn
soccer12
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:23 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
well that what i believe and that what is written in the word multiple times
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:27 pm
@soccer12,
soccer12 wrote:

well that what i believe and that what is written in the word multiple times


Written by men. You can choose to believe it, of course; that's your wish. But it's just an assertion by people who had every reason to assert it - it adds legitimacy to their words in the minds of those who don't question such things.

Cycloptichorn
soccer12
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words which God moved men to record.

Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.

A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible’s authority is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, homosexuals set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners rebuked by it, and hate turned to love by it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.

There are also external evidences that indicate the Bible is truly the Word of God. One is the historicity of the Bible. Because the Bible details historical events, its truthfulness and accuracy are subject to verification like any other historical document. Through both archaeological evidences and other writings, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true. In fact, all the archaeological and manuscript evidence supporting the Bible makes it the best-documented book from the ancient world. The fact that the Bible accurately and truthfully records historically verifiable events is a great indication of its truthfulness when dealing with religious subjects and doctrines and helps substantiate its claim to be the very Word of God.

Another external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the integrity of its human authors. As mentioned earlier, God used men from many walks of life to record His words. In studying the lives of these men, we find them to be honest and sincere. The fact that they were willing to die often excruciating deaths for what they believed testifies that these ordinary yet honest men truly believed God had spoken to them. The men who wrote the New Testament and many hundreds of other believers (1 Corinthians 15:6) knew the truth of their message because they had seen and spent time with Jesus Christ after He had risen from the dead. Seeing the risen Christ had a tremendous impact on them. They went from hiding in fear to being willing to die for the message God had revealed to them. Their lives and deaths testify to the fact that the Bible truly is God’s Word.

A final external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the indestructibility of the Bible. Because of its importance and its claim to be the very Word of God, the Bible has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern-day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still today the most widely published book in the world.

Throughout time, skeptics have regarded the Bible as mythological, but archeology has confirmed it as historical. Opponents have attacked its teaching as primitive and outdated, but its moral and legal concepts and teachings have had a positive influence on societies and cultures throughout the world. It continues to be attacked by pseudo-science, psychology, and political movements, yet it remains just as true and relevant today as it was when it was first written. It is a book that has transformed countless lives and cultures throughout the last 2000 years. No matter how its opponents try to attack, destroy, or discredit it, the Bible remains; its veracity and impact on lives is unmistakable. The accuracy which has been preserved despite every attempt to corrupt, attack, or destroy it is clear testimony to the fact that the Bible is truly God’s Word and is supernaturally protected by Him. It should not surprise us that, no matter how the Bible is attacked, it always comes out unchanged and unscathed. After all, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Mark 13:31). After looking at the evidence, one can say without a doubt that, yes, the Bible is truly God’s Word
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:47 pm
@soccer12,
soccer12 wrote:
There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word.
You're just kidding yourself if you believe that. There is no valid evidence of that in the Bible.

Besides, real evidence for God would undermine the need for (and value of) having Faith. One of the core concepts of the Bible is that you have to believe through Faith, not Fact, so why would the self-same book go about offering evidence of something which undermines it's own basic principles.
tycoon
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:51 pm
Wow, soccer12, I'm impressed with your argument. Laid out so logically, and professionally. I'm especially impressed that you were able to marshal your thoughts in such a manner after reading your first two posts where you weren't able to even write a grammatically correct sentence.

By the way, there is nothing true in your "work".
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soccer12
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 03:07 pm
@rosborne979,
There is evidence in the Bible that God inspired men to write it.

2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness."

2 Peter 1:20-21
"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophect's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spole from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

Deuteronomy 18:20-22
"But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.' You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."

1 Corinthians 2:13
"This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words"

And yes, it is a religion based off of faith because you cannot see God right in front of you. However, there is real evidence of God in every day life and in the Bible.
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tycoon
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 03:14 pm
I am not going to deal with a plagiarist.
soccer12
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 03:15 pm
@tycoon,
You aren't my teacher, I am not turning in a paper. Even though that arguement is not my words, it's still my belief. And I am still waiting for your evidence (since none of it is true), if you have any.
tycoon
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 03:33 pm
@soccer12,
No, I'm not going to be your teacher, though you're in desperate need of one. When you copy other people's work and paste it on an online forum, you need to attribute the author, not try to pass it off as your own.

As for the evidence, it's out there my friend. Google would serve you well in this endeavor. For instance, the first claim of your plagiarized piece claims there are no contradictions in the Bible. Google "Bible contradictions", and let your learning experience begin.

Lastly, it should go without saying that since you are the one asserting these things, and wish to stress them so much that you start a thread on the matter, it is incumbent upon you to prove the claims, not me.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 03:42 pm
@soccer12,
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There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words which God moved men to record.


This is absolutely ludicrous and doesn't even come close to approaching 'evidence.' It is basically one long assertion. You are free to believe it if you like, but it certainly isn't a belief based on logical structures.

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There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin.


Sure there is - they made the whole thing up, or adjusted what it said afterward to match the stories. How do you know this isn't what happened?

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It's extremely bad form, by the way, to copy and paste things from elsewhere on the net without linking to or attributing to them, which is what you did here. It's like stealing. I would suggest that you not do that in the future.

Cycloptichorn
soccer12
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 04:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Honestly I really don't care. You have your beliefs and I have mine and us arguing and defending them isn't going to change anyone's mind. THAT WAS NOT HAS THIS FORUM WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT! I was wondering about the missing parts and if the gospel of thomas was the only book not put in and who decided what got put into the Bible.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 04:15 pm
@soccer12,
The new testament is an Anthology of various writings. A church council, 4 centuries after Christ's death chose what to include and what to exclude.

Many argue that the writings themselves, though largely by people alive at the same time as Christ, we written at different times after his death and with different motivations (from the political, to the administrative, to the spiritual).

In addition there were many works available for inclusion, most were rejected including the gospels of Mary Magdelene. And that the inclusions/exclusions were based on a variety of motivations.

To learn more about what the excluded try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_texts
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 04:28 pm
the missing parts are all archived at DC Comics also known as National Allied Publications a subsidiary company of Warner Bros. Entertainment, which itself is owned by Time Warner.
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ABYA
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:20 am
@soccer12,
soccer12 wrote:

I know the Bible is inspired by God and that 40 men wrote different parts of the Bible and that it was all put together. But what about the parts that weren't put in the Bible? How do we know that they didn't leave out important parts or that they didn't pick and chose what parts to put in the Bible to make it seem true? What books did they not put in the Bible and why? And who decided what books went into the Bible?

Hi
At the time that the bible was being compiled, there was a following of Christ that had a completely different interpretation of the scriptures and of Christ. These were the gnostics and for them the understanding of the teachings was all about internality, and not about historical events.
When Rome adopted Christianity, the gnostics were persecuted and hid thier books in a cave Nag Hammadi .
You can find these texts here.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
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jgweed
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 05:38 am
@soccer12,
I think you are confusing the forty men who translated the KJV of the Bible with the various authors of the texts assembled in the Biblical canon. Many books of Bible, especially those in the OT, were probably collections of various sources even though attributed to a single person.

Another interesting question would arise if someone were to discover an important but lost text, and how---if at all---it would cause the canon to be revised.

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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:40 pm
To which "Bible" are you referring, exactly? The Roman Catholic? The various Orthodox Churches' (e.g. Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, etc)? The Protestant?
teganz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 02:03 pm
@InfraBlue,
Great discussion. This video by Breakpoint’s Centurion Program might be of interest to you to learn more about Christian Worldviews:

What is a worldview? http://www.breakpoint.org/resources/centurions/speaker-videos

Tegan Z., Advocate of the Centurions Program
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 02:22 pm
@soccer12,
soccer, Have you ever studied logic? One cannot use a source for information, and then claim the same source to prove it. That's not even logic, it's simple common sense.
 

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