Carico
 
Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 07:43 am
I won't use your whole user name since it was created to be offensive. I ask you if you are capable of having a conversation without slandering God, the Jews, Christ and those who love him. If you are, I would be happy to discuss Christianity with you. :)But if you are not, then one can only meet you where you're at and communicate with you in the only manner you understand; verbal volleyball. My only other option is to completely ignore you and leave you to spew your hatred of God, Jews and Christians on other people. So which do you want?:confused:
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mimidamnit
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 08:01 am
@Carico,
Carico;66708 wrote:
I won't use your whole user name since it was created to be offensive. I ask you if you are capable of having a conversation without slandering God, the Jews, Christ and those who love him. If you are, I would be happy to discuss Christianity with you. :)But if you are not, then one can only meet you where you're at and communicate with you in the only manner you understand; verbal volleyball. My only other option is to completely ignore you and leave you to spew your hatred of God, Jews and Christians on other people. So which do you want?:confused:


first of all.. it's mimi. short for melissa.. and i say mimidamnit.. cause i say damnit mimi all the time.. such as when i stub my toe..as opposed to cursing the flying spaghetti monster.. so it's an inside joke.. hardly intended to be offensive.. unless you've deduced somehow that i feel myself to be a god (which you have).. therefore creating a name similar to goddamnit.. hardly my intent.. which you wouldnt know.. because you have a habit of jumping to conclusions about people..

in order to have a conversation with you about god.. it would take my sharing personal information with you. .which i am not eager to do. i dont feel you are capable of conversing with me about god.. not in an intelligent manner.. so if you feel that i am in need of speaking to someone concerning god and christianity.. then send me someone else who wont pass judgements.. but has an air of compassion for a "christian" that has turned away from the faith.. question.. if a christian were being tested by god.. and were failing this test.. does that qualify him to be shut out? what would you do for that christian?.. condemn him to hell for questioning god's motives? coming out of a situation that i have.. a "christian" might would try to understand why i am so adamant as to the reality of this religions beliefs.
Carico
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 08:08 am
@mimidamnit,
mimidamnit;66717 wrote:
first of all.. it's mimi. short for melissa.. and i say mimidamnit.. cause i say damnit mimi all the time.. such as when i stub my toe..as opposed to cursing the flying spaghetti monster.. so it's an inside joke.. hardly intended to be offensive.. unless you've deduced somehow that i feel myself to be a god (which you have).. therefore creating a name similar to ***it.. hardly my intent.. which you wouldnt know.. because you have a habit of jumping to conclusions about people..

in order to have a conversation with you about god.. it would take my sharing personal information with you. .which i am not eager to do. i dont feel you are capable of conversing with me about god.. not in an intelligent manner.. so if you feel that i am in need of speaking to someone concerning god and christianity.. then send me someone else who wont pass judgements.. but has an air of compassion for a "christian" that has turned away from the faith.. question.. if a christian were being tested by god.. and were failing this test.. does that qualify him to be shut out? what would you do for that christian?.. condemn him to hell for questioning god's motives? coming out of a situation that i have.. a "christian" might would try to understand why i am so adamant as to the reality of this religions beliefs.


In order to have an honest conversation about God, one has to be honest about what's in his heart. If he can't be, then all he does is play verbal volleyball which goes nowhere.

Your first have to understand "He who falls on the capstone (Jesus Christ) will be broken in pieces but he upon whom it falls will be crushed."

That means that one has to:

1) Drop his tough defenses
2) Drop his pride
3) Admit the pain in his heart
4) Not pretend to know better than God does.

All of the above are defenses designed to mask what's really inside someone's heart. They thus either give the opposite impression to others or their hearts really are hard and full of hatred. Either way, they are shutting down their hearts which will keep them from the truth and from eternal redemption. They also make it impossible for others to have honest conversations with them.

So again, which do you want? An honest conversation or verbal volleyball which only increases hatred and revenge? if you don't understand the bible, then ask questions instead of making up your own history and slandering Christ because you're fighting a losing battle if you do because you will be hurt the most.
mimidamnit
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 08:43 am
@Carico,
Carico;66719 wrote:
In order to have an honest conversation about God, one has to be honest about what's in his heart. If he can't be, then all he does is play verbal volleyball which goes nowhere.

Your first have to understand "He who falls on the capstone (Jesus Christ) will be broken in pieces but he upon whom it falls will be crushed."

That means that one has to:

1) Drop his tough defenses
2) Drop his pride
3) Admit the pain in his heart
4) Not pretend to know better than God does.

All of the above are defenses designed to mask what's really inside someone's heart. They thus either give the opposite impression to others or their hearts really are hard and full of hatred. Either way, they are shutting down their hearts which will keep them from the truth and from eternal redemption. They also make it impossible for others to have honest conversations with them.

So again, which do you want? An honest conversation or verbal volleyball which only increases hatred and revenge? if you don't understand the bible, then ask questions instead of making up your own history and slandering Christ because you're fighting a losing battle if you do because you will be hurt the most.


we have already formed our opinions of each other.. and it will not be conducive to my "healing" to communicate with you in depth on the subject of christianity.. or god for that matter.


i admit that i am in a confused frame of mind.. but it is my emotions in a battle with my intellect.. and i am in the process of trying to end that battle.. and you are not one that i feel i can trust to end my confusion.
Carico
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 10:47 am
@mimidamnit,
mimidamnit;66728 wrote:
we have already formed our opinions of each other.. and it will not be conducive to my "healing" to communicate with you in depth on the subject of christianity.. or god for that matter.


i admit that i am in a confused frame of mind.. but it is my emotions in a battle with my intellect.. and i am in the process of trying to end that battle.. and you are not one that i feel i can trust to end my confusion.


Then if you are confused, you again need to ask questions instead of claim you have answers. That's when you come off as hostile. I guarantee you that Jesus has the answers for you if you are willing to open your heart to His Word.Smile
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 01:34 pm
@Carico,
Carico;66708 wrote:
I won't use your whole user name since it was created to be offensive. I ask you if you are capable of having a conversation without slandering God, the Jews, Christ and those who love him. If you are, I would be happy to discuss Christianity with you. :)But if you are not, then one can only meet you where you're at and communicate with you in the only manner you understand; verbal volleyball. My only other option is to completely ignore you and leave you to spew your hatred of God, Jews and Christians on other people. So which do you want?:confused:


Let's be fair here.

I've not slandered anyone and yet you are incapable of an honest discussion. Any disagreement I have with you, your book or your god is instantly labeled slander. You're idea of an honest discussion involves me agreeing with you. But I find it difficult to do so because you go into every argument assuming you can't be wrong, you use arguments that require me to already accept your assumed premise for it to be valid reasoning, you are not willing to look for common ground at all.

The whole idea of persuasive dialogue is that you find something we can both agree on that leads me to believe your position is true. You have not done this. The only rebuttals you ever give are appeals to fear and attacking a misrepresentation of my or others views.

Unless you change this your opinion will be disregarded.
Ares cv
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 01:37 pm
@Carico,
LOVE the smell of hypocrisy in the morning...
Numpty
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jul, 2009 04:42 pm
@Ares cv,
Ares;66734 wrote:
LOVE the smell of hypocrisy in the morning...


:thumbup:
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Carico
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 11:32 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;66733 wrote:
Let's be fair here.

I've not slandered anyone and yet you are incapable of an honest discussion. Any disagreement I have with you, your book or your god is instantly labeled slander. You're idea of an honest discussion involves me agreeing with you. But I find it difficult to do so because you go into every argument assuming you can't be wrong, you use arguments that require me to already accept your assumed premise for it to be valid reasoning, you are not willing to look for common ground at all.

The whole idea of persuasive dialogue is that you find something we can both agree on that leads me to believe your position is true. You have not done this. The only rebuttals you ever give are appeals to fear and attacking a misrepresentation of my or others views.

Unless you change this your opinion will be disregarded.


As long as you think you're incapable of deceit, you are not capable of seeing when you slander. You have not presented one iota of evidence that Jesus didn't live or isn't telling the truth, yet most of your posts are against Christ. That's called slander. So your denial is a waste of time and another lie. :rolleyes:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:09 pm
@Carico,
Carico;66823 wrote:
As long as you think you're incapable of deceit, you are not capable of seeing when you slander.


And when did I say that?


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You have not presented one iota of evidence that Jesus didn't live


First of all I never said that but even if I had I wouldn't have to provide evidence anyway. The burden of proof is on the believer. The only thing a skeptic has to do is say "I don't believe that" and it's up to the believer to convince the skeptic that they are wrong.


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or isn't telling the truth


No, I was insisting that what was written about jesus was wrong. I can't call him a liar if I don't know what he said and I don't know what jesus said, the only source is the bible which I do not trust.


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yet most of your posts are against Christ.


In what manner, opinion? Well let me be the first to say.....DUH!

Otherwise I would be a christian. So by this reason anybody who has a differing opinion is slanderous?
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