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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 09:42 am
luke 10 25-28

25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[a]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."


luke 14 26-33

26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters?yes, even his own life?he cannot be my disciple.



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mimidamnit
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 10:07 am
@JBeukema,
yea.. i had to look it up.. just to make sure there were no typos lol.. pretty contradictory.. but that's no surprise when it comes to scripture.. but of course.. it being inspired by god.. of course there is no mistake..(sarcastic damnit) it is exactly as god intended.. contradictions and all.. and it's up to us mere humans to figure it out lol..
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 10:19 am
@JBeukema,
JBeukema;67352 wrote:
luke 10 25-28

25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[a]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."


luke 14 26-33

26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters?yes, even his own life?he cannot be my disciple.


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In the second passage, Luke 14:26-33 wasn?t quoted. Here is the full quote:

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters?yes, even his own life?he cannot be my disciple. And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

"Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.'

"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple...?


Jesus is saying He deserves full claim to Christians? love, loyalty and commitment. Jesus claims to be God, so loving Him first is in line with the greatest commandment ?Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind.?

Second to that is the commandment ?Love your neighbor as yourself? (as the good Samaritan loved his neighbor, the robbed man). If a Christian?s father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, or even himself, tries to persuade him to be disloyal to Christ or leave Christ, then that person should be hated in preference to Christ.

That is, a Christian would still help them in their need and demonstrate Christian love, but that Christian should not obey or give into their wishes for him to leave Christ. Christ was telling His people that it would be very hard on them to follow Him; even their own families would oppose them.
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mimidamnit
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 10:30 am
@JBeukema,
it seems to me that .. the writers of the bible knew that their book would be questioned.. and put into place many warnings about stickin with it.. regardless of the threat..i have a hard time believing in a god that turns his back on children.. because their parents were "evil".. children that havent yet reached the age of accountability.. should be protected like no other.. and he is allowing some children to be placed into "christian" foster homes.. where abuse ..sexual and physical.. is rampant.. are we to just blame the times.. because the earth is just soo full of sin.. that even the children suffer for it? i dont get it.. i wont ever understand it.. and since he has chosen to withhold an answer from me.. i choose to believe he must not be there at all.. but let it be known that my parents did a bang up job indoctrinating my ass.. only to turn on me and show me that the bible is a tool to instill fear in the minds of children.. if god were real.. why would he allow those parents to teach them allllll about jesus.. then sin against them in the most abominable way?.. what is god's plan in that?.. make us suffer to make us trust him? that makes no sense.. especially when u grew up on the word of jesus.. and then you feel that jesus abandon you and leave you in the hands of sick people.. it took my "christian" parents to turn me from jesus.. and he let it happen.. faith in what? and what the hell for?.. if he wanted me to love him and trust in him.. to have blind faith in him.. to seek him first.. he might would have considered saving me from the people he delivered me too.. duh.. rather than allowing these "christian" folks to tamper with my brain the way they did.. can u imagine the confusion? the horror? the oh my god.. where did you go?... never again.. free at last free at last.. i thank my good sense that i am free at last!!!
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mimidamnit
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 10:41 am
@JBeukema,
oh wait.. god himself says to honor our father and our mother.. so nevermind.. god put us in their care.. surely that's part of the bargain... children for enjoyment.. however they choose.. and we all know.. "it's all god's plan".. he already knew.. and there is a bigger "purpose" to your suffering lololo... how bout when these christian parents turn your siblings against you because u "acted outside of faith" you took justice out of "god's" hand.. lolol.. so by using the "law of the land" against them.. i was sinning against god.. should have waited for god to judge them and their sins against me.. lololol.. when their excuse for abusing me was punishment... how come if it was so bad as to deserve that kind of treatment.. they didnt just "wait on god"... well im sure glad they felt more qualified to get their prayers answered by god than i was.

im so tired of talking about religion.. so so very much sick of it.. the residue of religion still sticks to me.. and my intellect battles my emotions.. constantly.. and then this jesusness.. i am still influenced by it.. i still catch myself praying.. out of habit.. of course i start laughing.. and i feel no guilt afterwards.. i feel no conviction.. i feel no pull toward my "father".. it is amazing what religion can do for and against you.

if ur a christian.. dont try to reach out to me.. im over it.. if god felt my pain or wanted me to understand.. im sure he had the power to comfort me when i was screaming for him.. but since i no longer believe he exists.. and him not existing makes it easier for me than him ignoring me for some greater purpose he had for me.. so no thanks
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JBeukema
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 01:39 pm
@JBeukema,
moar lolz!

YouTube - Brief Bible Blunders -- Episode #1
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JBeukema
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 06:10 pm
@JBeukema,
Also, can someone explain these?

YouTube - Brief Bible Blunders -- Episode #2

YouTube - Brief Bible Blunders -- Episode #3
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mimidamnit
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 02:42 am
@JBeukema,
haha.. im liking these videos lol
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