You must be prepared to suffer for your sins

The beauty of Christianity that if you believe in Christ Jesus as your savior and give him your life, you don't suffer for your sins. You may still have consequences but they are temporal.

This beauty you are proclaiming is theoretically only. After death you will come to know whether you sins are punished or not. You cannot fool Jesus at the first instance, this i am repeating. How much He struggled to preach, but this christian fathers and followers have, misinterpreted the bible verses and mislead people saying that only theoretical effort will give them salvation. How it is possible?

When Jesus Himself stressed through many parables and preaching the importance of spiritual effort, who are these human preaches who proclaim that just theoretical belief will give salvation. this means that millions of saints from India who acheived salvation are fools? One cannot fool God, however smart one try to misinterpret the scriptures.

Jesus never told that salvation is a free gift, can you show a verse that Jesus told that salvation is free gift. The preaching of His disciples or by St. Paul might contain it, because they were not realised souls. St. Paul was not atall associated with Jesus when He was alike.

God is impartial who grants the gift of salvation to those who put spiritual effort irrespective of religion and culture. You will see many saints from India sitting along side with Jesus, and you will see many so called christian preaches who may be rejected salvation......

Would you please explain the concept of not realized souls because it's not the Biblical concept.

Here is the passage of Jesus Himself:
Come to me, all of you who are weary and loaded down with burdens, and I will give you rest. (Matt 11:28)

?I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. John 11:1-4

First let me explain you the meaning of the above verse.

Mathew 11:28-30: The yoke of the Lord is light where as the yoke of human beings is heavy. This means that the work of the Lord will never give misery, as there is no selfishness. But the worldly work of the human beings becomes heavy due to selfishness that create anxiety and misery since one is attached to the fruit of the work.


Realised soul means that soul who is fully aware of the unreality of this world drama and worldly relations. This world is real but your relations are unreal. All your worldly relations do not exists before this birth and it will not exists after this birth also. Hence all are temporary. For this temporary bonds you are becoming distressed. The real existing bond is only with God who is the only real relation to you. All other things in the world are temporary, hence you need to only fulfil your duties to them without any attachment.


Realization is the stage of determination in the knowledge. The liberation is its practical consequence. The realization should be based on the right knowledge so that the liberation is really attained as the immediate consequence of the right knowledge. Suppose you are bound by a rope. Suppose you find a knife very near to you, which can be taken by your mouth and the rope can be cut. Such right knowledge gives you the liberation. The determination to use the knife leads to implementation and the fruit is liberation.

Suppose the knife has no sharpness. In such case the determination, implementation cannot give the result. Suppose the knife is just made of a piece of pad, then also no liberation is possible. Thus if the right knowledge is not intensive or if the knowledge is twisted and wrong no liberation is possible. Therefore the most important thing for liberation is not the realization only but it should be the right intensive knowledge given by the Satguru.

If you are ignorant and not a completely realized soul about the God, the divine help comes to you through unimaginable way so that you will recognize God without any doubt. If the help from God comes to you in an imaginable way, you will not recognize the divine help and God in that incident. Suppose you are getting the monthly salary after doing the job in a month. You will think that the salary is the fruit of your work which is a natural way of getting the fruit. But suppose you have not done work in a month and some body not known to you comes suddenly and donates the exact amount of the salary to you and goes away.

Then you will recognize God?s help through that unknown person. Therefore, for ignorant people difficulties are necessary to recognize God, because only difficulties can accommodate the unimaginable events as proof for God, since they do not treat the imaginable events as works of God.

Hence, Jesus told ?Blessed are those who believe Me without proof?. Here proof means a miracle which is the unimaginable event. Therefore, proof always needs troubles for you. When you want proof from God, He will wait till you get problems according to your cycle of deeds. For the sake of giving proof, God will not create troubles. When the difficulties come, then He will help you through unimaginable way so that you will recognize God and get yourself uplifted. Therefore, the miracles which are unimaginable are needed for ignorant people only who are almost atheists. But certain rigid atheists treat even this unimaginable incident as imaginable only. Such atheist thinks that the person who gave that amount must have been mad and the exact amount of salary is just a co-incidence.

How do you explain John 11:1-4?

Here Jesus preaching about prayer. But as I told you, almost all people around Him were ordinary ignorant people who are behind, prostitutes and money lending etc etc. For such people Jesus introduced the concept of God. Such people are so selfish they only remember God for their selfish matters only. To bring them to atleast some level above the ground Lord preached them alteast how to pray.

Some where else He preached to His disciple that even before you pray God knows your needs.

Here see the contract. To those deserving devotees who love and serve Him without any expecation there is no need of prayer, because they are serving Lord without any selfishness, for them the wish of Lord is the most important, whatever God wishes they are ready to accept. They have no personal choice and selfishness. Lord love such people only and dies for such peoples sins not for all people.

Now, Christanity is polluted by selfish prayer and meaning less preaching. They tell there is no need for spiritual effort and you are already saved. If Jesus see all these foolishness of christian priest how much He would be sorrow ful, just think.

I think these christians if continue like this never get salvation, because they are bound to this world by their selfishness.

My apology, I quoted the correct passage but gave a wrong reference. Let me correct it: It is John 15:1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing

Verse 3 is the one I'm referring to.

Yes whatever Jesus told in the above statement is exactly ture and it is truth only. But you should understand it in the right perspective. Jesus means God. When He spoke those words, He was in human form. Thus Lord comes to this world in human form and preaches. Only the preaching of Lord in human form can change you, because He is very much there infront of you living so that you can clear all your doubts about the spiritual knowledge. The meaning of the abvoe verse is that, when Lord comes in human form He is the only authority on the earth. Through Him only one can approach the Heavenly Father.

Those who listen to such Lord in human form who comes in every human generation only will get eternal life through serving Him without any expectation. The words which are spoken by the Lord in human form present in our generation smashes our sins, and by practising the knoweldge further the Lord in human form carries our sins on His body and suffers. For this to happen one should accept the Lord in human form who is alive now as His saviour and love Him and follow Him and work for Him without any expecation, by doing so one will become His people, thus you have become very very dear to Him. He gives you salvation by suffering for you and also He preaches the divine knoweldge which removes all your mental sins.

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Jesus doesn't came in every generation and die on the cross, one time was sufficient, because we don't have Adam who sins in every generation.

I do not know how these Christians will get salvation. Jesus Himself will be wondering about these poor people!!