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God is even not equal to your son!!!! & your prayers are lies only!!!

 
 
Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 11:21 am
God is even not equal to your son!!!! & your prayers are lies only!!!
Excellent explanation of fundamentals of devotion to God and God is the ultimate decider not planets
Astrologers and Priests


When a policeman beats a thief with his stick he should not think that the stick is beating him. Ofcourse the stick is directly beating him, but the stick is inert and cannot beat him by itself. Only the policeman is beating him through the stick. If the thief prays the stick there is no use. If he prays the uniform of the policeman then also there is no use. Only he should pray the policeman who wears the uniform and is holding the stick. The uniform is also inert. Since the thief has stolen something from somebody, the police beat him. The judge has given that punishment. The judge became the policeman and beats the thief. Similarly, the person who is acting as judge as well as policeman is God. The thief is the individual soul (Jeeva) who has done the sin. The uniform of the policeman is the deity. The stick is the planet. Even if the thief praises the judge who is the police also, there is no use because the judge or the policeman is very strict. So there is no use of praising either the inert uniform or stick or the living being i.e., police or judge.

There are three ways here.

- The first way is that the thief should receive hundred beatings today itself.

- The second way is that the thief can postpone the punishment by one day and he can receive hundred and twenty beatings tomorrow.

- The third way is the policeman or judge will receive hundred beatings today or one hundred twenty beatings tomorrow on behalf of the thief.

The second way is unnecessary because the interest is unnecessarily paid. In the third way what is the relationship you have with the judge or police i.e., God? When the God comes in the human form you have treated Him as an outsider. You have not treated Him even on par with your son. You have served your son in his childhood. When he is grown up instead of reciprocating by serving you, he started insulting you. But still you have given all your property to him only. Let us take God. You have worshipped Him. Suppose God is giving you difficulties instead of boons, if God is on par with your son you should continue to serve the God because you continued to serve even your troubling son. But you are leaving God if He gives difficulties for your worship. So God is not equal to even your son. But you are praising God that He is above all the bond and that He is more than anything and anybody. So your prayers are lies.

God is treated as an outsider and your love on him is not real. Then why should He undergo the punishment on your behalf? More over you tried to fool the God with your false prayers, which are lies. Therefore, the third way is ruled out. Only the first way remains and you must undergo the punishment today itself. God is infinite Ocean of kindness. If you pester Him by weeping pitiably, He will postpone your punishment by one day and you have to pay the interest for that day. He cancelled the punishment for today only. You are misled, since you think that the punishment is cancelled forever. God can also transform the punishment from one form to other form. In that case instead of one hundred and twenty beatings, you will receive one hundred knife injuries tomorrow. In this case also the beating is transformed to the knife injury and you are thinking that the punishment by beating is cancelled. He is not only the infinite Ocean of kindness but also the infinite Ocean of intelligence.

Therefore, there is no use of worshipping the deities or planets, which are inert, like uniform and stick. God is like the policeman or judge, which is the living force. The beating by stick is mechanical force, which is used and controlled by the living force. That living force is God. If you want to escape the punishment really and forever you have to catch that living force. That living force which is the judge or policeman has power to cancel the punishment. But He will not cancel the punishment. Instead, He will undergo your punishment for your sake if you can catch Him. He can be caught by true love. The love can be proved only by Service or Seva i.e., you participate in His mission when He comes down in human form. He will appear as if He is giving some difficulties to you as soon as you serve Him.

He is only settling your future sins. He undergoes ninety nine percent of your future sins and makes you pay one percent only. The ninety nine percent from which you escaped is not seen by you. As you see only that one percent, it appears as if He is giving difficulties to you as soon as you worship Him. He appears like this to test you whether you can still serve Him on par with your troubling son. If you pass His test and continue to serve Him in spite of the difficulties, He will be pleased with you. Then He will suffer for all your sins by undergoing one hundred percent punishment. Your devotion to Him is so much that you will not agree if He reveals this truth to you. So He undergoes the punishment secretly. This is the only way to get rid of your sin completely. But remember that you should not aspire to get rid of your sins completely by following this path artificially. You should be prepared to suffer your sins really and follow this path sincerely.

The Veda says 'Bhishodeti' and 'Tasya Bhasa' i.e., all the planets work only by His power. The Veda also says 'Ekena Vijnatena''i.e., by catching that one power you can catch all the deities and planets. The clue to catch that one power, which is God, is already explained above. The fans and lights are working by current only. Similarly, by the force of God only deities and planets work. The inert planets, which we see in the sky and their divine forms and other deities also, are working only by His power. These planets are the executive forces, which catch a person and pass on the results of his deeds at the prescribed time according to the judgement of God. They are bound by their duties. There is no use by performing 'japas' chanting. People think that the planets are giving good or bad results by their movement. This is wrong. The planets are giving only the results of your deeds. Auspicious planets give you results of good deeds and malefic planets are giving you results of bad deeds. A planet is called as 'Graha', which means that it catches you wherever you may be in this universe and gives you the result in the scheduled time.

Similarly 'Kenopanishath' (The Veda) says that when the deities became proud of their powers, God appeared as 'Yaksha' and proved that all their powers are only His power. So the deities also cannot do anything without the will of God.

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marcus cv
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:22 pm
@dattaswami cv,
Your definition of God is not Christian God who hates sin, even one sin is too much for it. I'm not talking about 1% of sins.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 11:35 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;61980 wrote:
Your definition of God is not Christian God who hates sin, even one sin is too much for it. I'm not talking about 1% of sins.



You have no love to God. Such concept is not taught by your christian friends. They preach only loving others and not God.

If you read other scriputures then only you will know what really God wishes. If you only confine to bible only you will never get salvation, because you christain priest who interpret the bible has got no idea of what Jesus really meant 2000 yrs ago. So your salvation is blocked by incompetent people!!
marcus cv
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 06:11 am
@dattaswami cv,
What's the Hinduism idea of the salvation?
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:17 am
@marcus cv,
marcus;62022 wrote:
What's the Hinduism idea of the salvation?


There is not 'Hinduism Idea and Christainity Idea'. You can never change the rules of salvation either you are a christian or Hindu. Such feeling itself is ignorance. God cannot be fooled to get salvation through short cuts.


Salvation means breaking all the bonds of the world and having only one Bond with God.
marcus cv
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:10 pm
@dattaswami cv,
It's not true, Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

Actually it's a very big issue in this generation, how's it that only through Christ one may attain the salvation. One of my friends ignored the Christianity based on this doubt. But the fact remains, Christ specifically said that only through Him, not through Buddah or Muhamed, or Krishna only through Him alone.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 08:40 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;62094 wrote:
It's not true, Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

Actually it's a very big issue in this generation, how's it that only through Christ one may attain the salvation. One of my friends ignored the Christianity based on this doubt. But the fact remains, Christ specifically said that only through Him, not through Buddah or Muhamed, or Krishna only through Him alone.



Your reply shows your ignorance of Jesus and God. What you said is not true. I told you by now several times that Jesus was God. NOw Jesus comes in every human generation in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls through His preaching. Such human form of God is the only path of Heavenly Father becasue one cannot directly approach the unimaginable God. Thus Lord Jesus comes in every human generation for your sake. But you are not beleive in Him but belive in died Jesus who is not infront of you in person. But the same Jesus comes to you in this generation for your sake you are not beliveing in Him, because your love in Himis not true. You want to remain in the dead Jesus so that you can escape practical sacrifice to the Jesus now present infront of you in human form.

You want to remain in theoretical phase so that you can avoid practical sacrifice and do only some theoretical prayers to Dead Jesus. What is the use of all these! By such foolishness Lord Jesus is becoming very furious with you for your false love on Him. When He is very much present in front of you in another body you are not accepting Him.

Because if you accept Lord Jesus present now in human body, you have do several practical sacrifices like giving money to His mission, serving and working for Him without any desire, love Him more than any one in this world, terrible loss of peace due to sacrifice all these comes into picture which those poor fishermen did when He came 2000 yrs ago. That you do not want to do now, at the same time want salvation also freely!!! You want to be with family and do gosipe and want the salvation also freely!!!!

You want to enjoy the world and want salvation freely!!!

You do not want to under go any sacrifice for Lord in human form, but want salvation freely

You are ready to do some theoretical prayer but not practical service and wnat salvation freely!!!

NO YOU CAN NEVER FOOL JESUS BY YOUR TRICKS!! NEVER!!!

You will see many from India sitting along with Jesus but you thrown away due to lack of practical sacrifice!!

You want to be like that rich man who approached Jesus for salvation. Jesus told him to leave everything and follow Him, but he could not do that becasue he was a multimillinioare. You are also behaving like him only. You want salvation at the same time at no cost. How it is justifiable!

Jesus comes to you in person now in human form. But due to jealosy and egoism you reject Him. So salvation for you also is rejected in the upperworld!

[in the above you is a general term only, not you]
marcus cv
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 11:11 pm
@dattaswami cv,
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Your reply shows your ignorance of Jesus and God. What you said is not true.

How's it not true? I didn't say much I just quoted the Bible. Would you please justify your answer not based on what you think but on the Holy Scripture. There is 6 billion people on earth and each of us has own opinion.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 02:16 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;62101 wrote:
Your reply shows your ignorance of Jesus and God. What you said is not true. I told you by now several times that Jesus was God. NOw Jesus comes in every human generation in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls through His preaching. Such human form of God is the only path of Heavenly Father becasue one cannot directly approach the unimaginable God. Thus Lord Jesus comes in every human generation for your sake. But you are not beleive in Him but belive in died Jesus who is not infront of you in person. But the same Jesus comes to you in this generation for your sake you are not beliveing in Him, because your love in Himis not true. You want to remain in the dead Jesus so that you can escape practical sacrifice to the Jesus now present infront of you in human form.

You want to remain in theoretical phase so that you can avoid practical sacrifice and do only some theoretical prayers to Dead Jesus. What is the use of all these! By such foolishness Lord Jesus is becoming very furious with you for your false love on Him. When He is very much present in front of you in another body you are not accepting Him.

Because if you accept Lord Jesus present now in human body, you have do several practical sacrifices like giving money to His mission, serving and working for Him without any desire, love Him more than any one in this world, terrible loss of peace due to sacrifice all these comes into picture which those poor fishermen did when He came 2000 yrs ago. That you do not want to do now, at the same time want salvation also freely!!! You want to be with family and do gosipe and want the salvation also freely!!!!

You want to enjoy the world and want salvation freely!!!

You do not want to under go any sacrifice for Lord in human form, but want salvation freely

You are ready to do some theoretical prayer but not practical service and wnat salvation freely!!!

NO YOU CAN NEVER FOOL JESUS BY YOUR TRICKS!! NEVER!!!

You will see many from India sitting along with Jesus but you thrown away due to lack of practical sacrifice!!

You want to be like that rich man who approached Jesus for salvation. Jesus told him to leave everything and follow Him, but he could not do that becasue he was a multimillinioare. You are also behaving like him only. You want salvation at the same time at no cost. How it is justifiable!

Jesus comes to you in person now in human form. But due to jealosy and egoism you reject Him. So salvation for you also is rejected in the upperworld!

[in the above you is a general term only, not you]


Clearly the post is aimed at Marcus, how can it not be? Your replies show me an arrogant selfindulgent person with delusions of grandeur. Marcus is clearly trying to engage you on a spiritual level and as such is trying debate with you. You Sir, are being very rude and impatient. Not very becoming of a person who thinks they are a servant God. You might want to consider your attidude and responces before you post again. Also consider this is a site where views differ and ideas and beliefs when thrown out for all to see are open to scrutiny.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 10:51 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;62182 wrote:
Clearly the post is aimed at Marcus, how can it not be? Your replies show me an arrogant selfindulgent person with delusions of grandeur. Marcus is clearly trying to engage you on a spiritual level and as such is trying debate with you. You Sir, are being very rude and impatient. Not very becoming of a person who thinks they are a servant God. You might want to consider your attidude and responces before you post again. Also consider this is a site where views differ and ideas and beliefs when thrown out for all to see are open to scrutiny.


I am extremely sorry if it hurt any body.

Marcus is a very nice devotee of Jesus i know that.

In my post i referred that 'you' means a general statement. I am not intending to hurt any body. If it happen so i beg all of your pardon.

MY point is that what the present christian preachers preach is highly differing from what Jesus preached. In fact Jesus stressed about the spiritual effort one should put to please God and get salvation. this point is diluted and people say that just belief is sufficient without any practical effort to get salvation. If such argument is true, then why Lord Jesus preached

1) The way to hell is wide open and to heaven it is full of troubles


2) Many will try and very very few will enter the kingdom of God

3) Why Lord Jesus asked the rich person to leave everything and follow Him?

4) Why Jesus told those who are crying seeing Him carrying the cross to cry for themselves?

5) If Jesus died for the sins of all the people why then Jesus prayed to pardon their sins?

like this you can see so many points Jesus stressed to the people to follow.

Once again i beg all of your pardon.
Numpty
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:15 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;62202 wrote:
I am extremely sorry if it hurt any body.

Marcus is a very nice devotee of Jesus i know that.

In my post i referred that 'you' means a general statement. I am not intending to hurt any body. If it happen so i beg all of your pardon.

MY point is that what the present christian preachers preach is highly differing from what Jesus preached. In fact Jesus stressed about the spiritual effort one should put to please God and get salvation. this point is diluted and people say that just belief is sufficient without any practical effort to get salvation. If such argument is true, then why Lord Jesus preached

1) The way to hell is wide open and to heaven it is full of troubles


2) Many will try and very very few will enter the kingdom of God

3) Why Lord Jesus asked the rich person to leave everything and follow Him?

4) Why Jesus told those who are crying seeing Him carrying the cross to cry for themselves?

5) If Jesus died for the sins of all the people why then Jesus prayed to pardon their sins?

like this you can see so many points Jesus stressed to the people to follow.

Once again i beg all of your pardon.


Don't sweat it, I just thought it needed pointing out. I too forget myself sometimes when on here, so it would be hypocritical of myslef not to acknowledge that. :thumbup:
marcus cv
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2008 02:41 pm
@Numpty,
dattaswami, Do your believe as many Hindu in many Gods (polytheistic), and everything is God (pantheistic)?
In any regards, it's completely opposite of the Christianity, were there is only one God, one way of salvation. Therefore, I think a lot of times our discussions are irrelevant.

Interesting story from my friend, he accepted Christianity and turned into Hinduism having hard time believing that there is only one way to God.

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Your reply shows your ignorance of Jesus and God
:rollinglaugh:
Please tell me again on what basis you make a judgment like that? On your own understanding? And if I was wrong point the verse in the Bible where I was wrong!
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2008 12:07 am
@marcus cv,
marcus;62280 wrote:
dattaswami, Do your be
:rollinglaugh:
Please tell me again on what basis you make a judgment like that? On your own understanding? And if I was wrong point the verse in the Bible where I was wrong!


We were not with Jesus when He came. Thus what ever spoken by Him is to be explained by Him only, not by human beings. He spoke many many things according to the circumstance when He came in this world.

Lord is one and the same, and He comes now also to preach and remove our ignorance and guide us. Like bible He is also preaching now. So that we can understand Him better and ultimately get salvation.
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