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Those who undergo misery for the sake of the mission of the Lord, will achieve the lo

 
 
Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 12:23 pm
Those who undergo misery for the sake of the mission of the Lord, will achieve the love of the Lord

The difficulties giving misery are the best ground to understand this statement of Lord in Gita. Therefore, love the problems and misery. Hate peace and happiness. But this should be limited to yourself for the personal spiritual effort and should not be extended to society surrounding you. You are not supposed to disturb the society around you in any way in which case God will be furious with you. Demons were punished for this because they gave misery to the society for their personal happiness. Those who undergo misery for the happiness of the society please the Lord and reach the temporary heaven. Here you are serving the society without any selfishness and therefore for the sake of welfare of the society you are rejecting your peace and happiness. You are certainly greater than a fellow who serves the society for his personal peace and happiness like the present politician. But those who undergo misery for the sake of the mission of the Lord, will achieve the love of the Lord and reach His divine abode forever.

Here also you are serving God not for your peace and for your happiness. Therefore, whether it is service to society or God, the selfishness should be absent and sacrifice should be present. Several devotees aspire bliss by serving the Lord. This is not the correct spirit. One should aspire for the bliss of God through his service and not selfish bliss.
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dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Thu 8 Apr, 2010 07:19 pm
Rehmat;71140 wrote:
Now it depends on which Lord you're reffering to - but certainly not the Hindutva "god".

Hindutva and the ?God men? Rehmat's World


Only one God created this world

Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.
But this is not so, each religion says that their God only
Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!
One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here
And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,
The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!
They criticize that these religions do not have even
The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.
Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them
They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!
Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.


Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.
If you want to say that God created the entire world,
You have to accept that there is one God only always
And that His names are all the above three names.
We see in the world a single person having three names.


If there is one God, He only created this entire world.
All the human beings are invariably His children only.
No Father is partial to a single child and therefore
He must have preached the same knowledge to all
In different languages and in different methodologies
To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.
Universal-Spirituality
Rehmat
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 04:30 am
@dattaswami cv,
Without giving me your usual crap on all the website you plaster the lies about your Hindu morality - just answer Einstein why you Hindus worship over 365 "gods" - mostly annimals OR Christian worship 3 "gods" Or Jews worship "a piece of land" and "holocaust"?
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 04:49 am
@Rehmat,
Rehmat;71183 wrote:
Without giving me your usual crap on all the website you plaster the lies about your Hindu morality - just answer Einstein why you Hindus worship over 365 "gods" - mostly annimals OR Christian worship 3 "gods" Or Jews worship "a piece of land" and "holocaust"?


Why God expressed in different forms in Hinduism?

Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don?t they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, ?Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam?? All right [Agreed].

Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc. The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world.

To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is the disease.

This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. Infact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world.

The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India.

One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians. I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form.

The nature of Vishnu is ?Sattvam? i.e. soft nature. So, soft people are attracted to Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is ?Tamas? i.e. emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily.

The message is same but the forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India.
Rehmat
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:34 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;71185 wrote:
Why God expressed in different forms in Hinduism?

So you mean your Hindu god is so weak that he need the help of snake, monkey, lizzard, bee, cow, ugly-faced women with dozen hands, etc. to manage his creation, eh!

What a hopeless god of Hinuism, eh!
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 07:24 pm
@Rehmat,
Rehmat;71194 wrote:
So you mean your Hindu god is so weak that he need the help of snake, monkey, lizzard, bee, cow, ugly-faced women with dozen hands, etc. to manage his creation, eh!

What a hopeless god of Hinuism, eh!


Ignorance is the reason for your reply!

God is known from His divine knoweldge. Lack of knoweldge of divine knowledge is the reason for ignorance. You have not come in contact with knowledge from God! That is the reason for your ignorance about God. You think that you know everything about God and you are the only great person in this world! This we call as the lowest person in this world!


So, Allah advocate you to humble yourself and learn the divine knoweldge of Allah to come out of confusion and ignorance and pride and boasting!


God do not exits in idols. Idols are only are representative symbols. God exists only in God in human form or Human incarnation. No where else. God comes in human form to this world for uplifting ignorant people like you. You shall find Him out and learn humbly from Him and practice the knowledge in your daily life for your upliftment from your present ignorant state. If you do with full conviction, Allah will help you, other wise you will continue in your ignorant state which will only degrade you further infront of Allah...So act quickly to find GOd in human form....
Rehmat
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 08:57 pm
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;71199 wrote:
Ignorance is the reason for your reply!

Look who is talking - the same idiot who makes some idiotic figure from stone or clay and then ask his own creation for his salvation!!
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:58 pm
@Rehmat,
Rehmat;71218 wrote:
Look who is talking - the same idiot who makes some idiotic figure from stone or clay and then ask his own creation for his salvation!!


Control your self. Emotional replies shows ignorance and low level of a person.

Salvation means cutting the bonds with everything other than God.
When the intensity of Shraddha (Basic interest on God is called as Shraddha) increases, it is called as devotion. When you enter Nivrutti (loving practical service to God in Human form), there is no risk at all, since the eternal bond with God is formed.

In Nivrutti, there is no need of worship of God. Worship is ex-pression of devotion. Real love does not require any ex-pression. When the occasion comes, it gets expressed spontaneously.

You are not expressing daily your love on your children. When the proper occasion arises, it springs up without any effort. In Nivrutti the devotion is expressed in the test conducted by God on you. You say that God is testing your devotion. Your statement is correct in the language of souls. The same statement in the language of God is that God is trying to help you in proving that you have the highest bond with God only and not with anything or anybody other than God. Salvation means cutting the bonds with everything and everybody other than God. Kaivalyam means formation of the single highest bond with God. Both salvation and kaivalyam are essential.
Rehmat
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 05:08 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;71219 wrote:
Control your self. Emotional replies shows ignorance and low level of a person.

Don't you recall moron - that it was YOU who first call me "an ignorant"?
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sun 11 Apr, 2010 09:44 am
@Rehmat,
Rehmat;71224 wrote:
Don't you recall moron - that it was YOU who first call me "an ignorant"?


Do not worry. Ignorant is not a negative word at all. We are talking about ignorance about GOd and His knoweldge. 99.99% of in this world are ignorant in that sense. You may be highly qualified and may be having highest social status in the world, but if you do not know the oness of GOd and His administration then you are an ignorant person no doubt about that.

Hence quickly humble infront of Allah and your scholarship in any of the scripture will not save you. If have to love Allah and serve Him and see all the people in this world as one family, then you case will be taken up in front of Allah eye and you may be favoured with His grace, but that to happen, you have to humble your self and love all human beings as your self and render service to them also to Allah that is the way for you...
Rehmat
 
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Reply Sun 11 Apr, 2010 01:20 pm
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;71231 wrote:
Do not worry. Ignorant is not a negative word at all.

That makes sense coming from an ignorant like you.

Keep plastering over dozens of web site with your cut & paste ignorance.
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