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Essence Of Jesus Preaching --- Meaning Of Saving

 
 
Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2008 10:35 am
Essence Of Jesus Preaching --- Meaning Of Saving

Saving from the troubles and misery is the general sense of the word saving. In spiritual sense saving means cutting all the worldly bonds and establishing real bond with God, Who alone is the truth. God is truth. This means that God is infinite power. The creation is just His imagination and is almost not true. The imagining person is said to truly exist. The world, which is just His imagination and which is completely not nothing. The world is made of an iota of energy of God. God is like the infinite ocean of energy. Compared to God the world is almost nothing. Thus this entire creation is under the full control of God. Just like the person doing some imagination creates an imaginary world in him, God created this imaginary world in Him. The imagining person can fully control the world. He can transform any item into any other item. He can raise a dead body in His imaginary world. All the miracles of human incarnations can be explained only by this concept.

God who is present in the human incarnation does all these miracles only to establish this concept. If the world is equally true, then the world is equally powerful to God. In such case God cannot do whatever He likes. Since the world is least powerful and God is most powerful, God controls the entire world like a very strong person controlling very weak person. Thus the word truth indicates the omnipotent nature of God. When we say that this world is not true, it indicates the negligible power of the world. Suppose a small ant is on your shirt, will you say that yourself and the ant are present in the house? The ant is negligible and is treated as nothing. Therefore, a person who knows this concept surrenders to God and accepts Him as the saviour. In his eyes the entire world looks like an ant before God. You are a tiny particle in this ant-world. You can understand your position by putting a relative scale.

Assume that this ant is Infinite Ocean of energy. You are an iota of that ocean. This means your power is negligible before the power of this entire nature. The world is like the ocean and you are like a drop in it. God is like the ocean and the world a drop in God. You must understand this simile not in terms of volume but in terms of the intensity of the power. When we utter the word God, we immediately imagine Him as a very large figure with unlimited boundaries. The space is largest but as no power as it is treated has nothing. The atom bomb is very small but it has enormous power. Therefore, our idea about God should not be in terms of the three-dimensional space. When a person imagines a large city, the city is very huge but the person is very small. But that small person has created, maintains and finally dissolves this huge city. He can do anything in this huge city. Infact He is standing outside this huge city. When He wants to enter into this huge imaginary city, He will imagine a small form and He identifies Himself with that form. That small form represents the outside person. This imagined form, which is identified by the outside person, is treated as the outside person directly. This imagined small form is the human incarnation. The outside person is God. The imaginary huge city is this world.

Thus God identifies Himself with the human incarnation. From this angle the human incarnation and the God are one and the same. There is another angle in which the human incarnation is not the original God but a part and parcel of God. In this angle God and the human incarnation are treated as father and son. You can experience the Father only through this Son. In the third angle the human incarnation is just sent by God into this world as a messenger with some power. Jesus talked this truth in all the three angles. Jesus can save any human being who has any one of these three angles. Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is the essential step in the spiritual effort. Here Jesus means the human incarnation in general. Only God is the saviour. But you cannot approach God directly. Only through the human incarnation you can approach God. This means you should accept the human incarnation as that very God. In such case only the human incarnation becomes your saviour.

God is like free electrons flowing in the atmosphere. These Electrons are the electricity. Then can you heat water by keeping the vessel containing water in the atmosphere? When these Electrons enter a medium like the metallic wire, you can heat water. If the medium is human form it is most convenient for you to clear your doubts, to love and to serve Him. Therefore, acceptance of Jesus as your Saviour means that you should accept the human incarnation as your saviour. It is told that Jesus will come again. This means that the human incarnation is coming in every human generation.

Otherwise, if one generation was only blessed by such fortune, the other generations will charge God as partial and such charge is justified. Therefore, if you think that Jesus means only that particular human incarnation, which came about 2000 years back, you have lost the whole concept. Through a particular example generalization must be made. If you say that sodium atom is indivisible it means the atom of any element is indivisible. If you say that Daniel is born, it means that every human being will be born. If this basic analysis is lost, the entire spiritual castle falls down due to the absence of its foundation.
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 09:32 am
@dattaswami cv,
Before going further I want to talk discuss the first paragraph.
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Saving from the troubles and misery is the general sense of the word saving.


If that is a goal of God, than God is not doing a very good job. There is more troubles and misery than ever before. This world and all its sufferings will either turn a person to God in humbleness or turn him away from God in pride.

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In spiritual sense saving means cutting all the worldly bonds and establishing real bond with God, Who alone is the truth. God is truth. This means that God is infinite power.


I also would disagree, if that would be God's intent that what's the purpose of a person staying in the world, why God doesn't take the person to heaven after his cutting of all the worldly bonds.

God is bigger than that, he wants us to be His representatives on earth. We are still part of the world but we are not of this world.
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 01:05 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60079 wrote:
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God is bigger than that, he wants us to be His representatives on earth. We are still part of the world but we are not of this world.
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dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 01:07 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60079 wrote:
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I also would disagree, if that would be God's intent that what's the purpose of a person staying in the world, why God doesn't take the person to heaven after his cutting of all the worldly bonds.

God is bigger than that, he wants us to be His representatives on earth. We are still part of the world but we are not of this world.
marcus cv
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2008 02:13 pm
@dattaswami cv,
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Jesus brought a new life in terms of relationship with God, he solved the disconnect from God. You suggesting that we can achieve the perfection in our own body by perfecting it. Unfortunately we are so rotten that by our works or intents we will never will be accepted by God except by Christ death and resurrection, and that was the purpose, mission and the work of Christ.
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 11:43 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60164 wrote:
Jesus brought a new life in terms of relationship with God, he solved the disconnect from God. You suggesting that we can achieve the perfection in our own body by perfecting it. Unfortunately we are so rotten that by our works or intents we will never will be accepted by God except by Christ death and resurrection, and that was the purpose, mission and the work of Christ.
marcus cv
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 09:35 am
@dattaswami cv,
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See the impartial attitude of Lord Jesus to cut the blind bond with the worldly things for acheiving salvation! Jesus never told this to all those ordinary people. He strictly told only to His disciples. If the same thing is told to you also may be you cannot digest this (you may be a great devotee also).


Jesus response was to all people, all believers. We can see it in other verses. When he cried about Jerusalem, He said that He came for them to gather them and bring peace but they didn't accepted Him. It was an universal plan of salvation.God's idea of salvation is for the all.
The criteria to follow Jesus is the same for all as well. The verse in Luke "take you cross and follow me" is speaking of the individual cross, the purpose and mission prepared by God for your and my lives. But the concept of 2 commandments of loving your God and your neighbor, setting priorities in life are the same for you and me.
This was conformed later by other writers of the New Testament Peter, John, Paul. Paul in the book of Romans and Ephesians states that all believers have been adopted to the family of God. And he writes to the Church of Ephesus referring to the as "you" as group of believers.
Sorry no preferential treatment. Wink
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 03:35 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60250 wrote:
Jesus response washat all believers have been adopted to the family of God. And he writes to the Church of Ephesus referring to the as "you" as group of believers.
Sorry no preferential treatment. Wink
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