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God is seen through Son of God

 
 
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 03:38 pm
God is seen through Son of God (Human incarnation)

The actual God is not seen by the eye since God is not imaginable even to the mind, intelligence or logic as per several Vedic statements. The Veda says that the eye cannot see God. But the same Veda says that a blessed soul can see God. This contradiction is easily removed by taking original God for the first statement and mediated God in human form for the second statement. God is not pervading all over the creation because the Veda says that God created the universe to see and enjoy it. If you pervade all over the cinema and become that cinema itself, you cannot see and enjoy it. The Veda says that nothing in the world is God (Neti Neti').

The Veda also says that God entered the world after creating it. If God has already pervaded all over the universe, there is no meaning in saying that God entered the universe. When the Veda says that this entire world is God, Ramanuja interpreted it as the world being under the control of God. You call a kingdom by the name Kalinga, when it is under the control of King Kalinga.

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marcus cv
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 03:42 pm
@dattaswami cv,
I wonder why do you need to read Veda about God, when the Bible specifically claims that it is a word of God. Jesus referring in a few places to the Old Testament as the word of God. Here is couple Luke 10:26-28, Mat 4:4-11 and others.
Jesus was refering only to the Old Testament as the authoritative source, why do we need Veda if we are to follow Jesus example?
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 11:57 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60517 wrote:
I wonder why do you need to read Veda about God, when the Bible specifically claims that it is a word of God. Jesus referring in a few places to the Old Testament as the word of God. Here is couple Luke 10:26-28, Mat 4:4-11 and others.
Jesus was refering only to the Old Testament as the authoritative source, why do we need Veda if we are to follow Jesus example?



You do not know about Jesus. Jesus travelled to India in the age between 15 to around 30. He was in association with great sages from Himalayas. He learnt all the scriptures and Veda. He was a great scholar. In His missing years He was in the great country of great saints India. In India He got marvellous reception, unlike in western country were meat eating, prostitution and creulty are in great measure.

The holy land quickly recognised the Holy man Jesus. Jesus held discussion among great saints. He studied all the scriptures, of Hinduism, like Veda. He respect the great saints of India. However His mission was to uplift the cruel people who do not have a tender heart. Who do not have any logic of analysing the scriptures. Who do not even understand the secret behind the parables, who do not know the art of loving God without any expectation, who do not know the word 'devotion'... TO uplift such people who kill one for the other, who lend money at heavy interst to uplift such popel God came to that place and sacrificied His own life. Such death was inevitable for the upliftment considering the cruel nature of people there..

But Jesus was give a proper appreciation among Indian saints most of them were, vegiterians, having complete devotion on GOd always thinking and discussing about Him, who has tremendous knowledge of 'Veda'. Jesus liked such poeples association very much!!!
marcus cv
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 11:08 pm
@dattaswami cv,
Sounds interesting, but why Veda contradicts Jesus teaching. And for some reasons he was more pronged to quote Torah rather than Veda. There is no reference of Jesus saying Veda says that, but he would say in the Law and the Prophets. Unless of course Veda has own Torah and the mount Sinai is the mountain you are referring to.

If you accept Jesus authority, why not to accept his words?
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 11:51 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60904 wrote:
Sounds....why not to accept his words?


marcus;

The problem with you is that you accept only bible but Jesus could have accepted all the scriptures because He was the author of all the scritpures. When God comes in human form and preach the people at different places and of different culture and at different time, God adopts the culture of that particular place to convey His messages to upliftthem. This is only for the benifit of the humanity only. In bible, (i donot know it is true or not), Jesus said to be eating fish and drink. By such behavious Lord is attracting even sinners to Him to listen to His divine knowledge and change themselves. But God is not a slave to meat and drink. He is above the 'qualities', but He shows such qualities to test His disciples faith. By such tests those devotees who are not strong in faith are filtered out. Only those with tremendous faith in the human form is only given salvation.

In western countries there is not much Human incarnations. But in India several Human incarnaitons came. West has seen only very few human incarnations like Jesus. But India has seen many. India were the abode of saints.

The word of God is the same.
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dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 02:25 am
@marcus cv,
marcus;60904 wrote:
Sounds interesting, but why Veda contradicts Jesus teaching. And for some reasons he was more pronged to quote Torah rather than Veda. There is no reference of Jesus saying Veda says that, but he would say in the Law and the Prophets. Unless of course Veda has own Torah and the mount Sinai is the mountain you are referring to.

If you accept Jesus authority, why not to accept his words?



You are accepting Jesus very easily now, because He is not present infront of you in human form. Lord comes in every human generation in human form, like you, me. He exihibit all the properties of a human being like, thirst, sleep, suffering everything. Thus these qualities itself will take undeserving devotees away from the Lord in human form. Those who have identified the internal invisible GOD present in such human body of human incarnaiton will serve the Human form of God present infront of Him with love and without any expectation. That is why St. Peter told whereelse we will go? the divine knoweldge is only with You.

If Jesus comes in human form, immediately Vatican will curcifiy Him including you also. That is the situation in christanity. There is no clear cut idea or God knoweldge in Christainity now, eventhough Lord Jesus would have preached those disciples very well about the path of salvation personaly, which is not recoreded in Bible. Thus it shows the inevitabiltiy of Lord in human form to be present now also to explain to you the inner meaning of scriptures through His divine knoweldge.

Thus Lord Jesus comes again and again in human form to different parts of the world to preach and uplift the human being, this you will not accept and you accept only Jesus coming at the end of world, so that even if Jesus comes you are not there to see Him! This is the clever tactics of fanatics who do not want to see Lord now here itself. Such poeple misinterpret the scritprues and say that Lord Jesus comes only at the end of life!!!


If you see and learn impatially and analyse; there are two paths in the spirituality the prelimary path is known as Pravruitti or Path of Justice

The higher path is known as Nivrutti or Path of liberation.

When God came in form of Jesus, He stressed mainly on the first path which is the path of Pravrutti. He expaliend to those people who approached Him that you should love even your enimies..... etc etc. This is to maintain peace and justice in the society for the better peace ful living of human being. When Jeusus came there were hard hearted people, who do not know even the justice. To such peoplE who approached Him for only miracle and to get cure, to use God's power for their personal use; to such people He preached in parables, so that only interested people would wait and come to Him to ask Him to explain the inner meaning of parables. To general people He preached He is only a messenger of God you should pray to Heavenly Father etc.


But to His dearest disciples He preached the path of liberation. He told to them if you see ME you have seen the Heavenly Father. He revealed to St. Peter that He is the massiha (The Human incarnation or Human form of God), not to all. He very well know that if He speak to the public that He is GOd then, people will mock Him, and ultimately crucifiy Him.

So in the path of Liberation; the personal service to Lord in human form comes in to picture. Because those disciples Longed to see Lord, to touch Lord to co-live with Lord. To fulfill such peoples desire and to liberated them from all the worldly attachments Lord Himself came down in human form as Jesus. He told who ever want to follow Me should forsake Himserlf and carry their own cross on them and without any complaint should follow Me. See the strictness of Lord Jesus! He was the real GOD. But what the followers of Christ doing? Are you even aware of these fundamentals?

Since Lord is impartial He comes down in human form for those who seek Him and love Him. To such people who are the rareast in this world, He comes down and preaches them for their spiritual upliftment. Whoever identifies Him and serve Him in His mission of divine knowelge propagation without any expecation such people alone will get salvation. Lord in human form takes the sins of such people on Him and suffers of such poeple who Love Him alone!!!!

Lord Jesus preached
marcus cv
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2008 12:41 pm
@dattaswami cv,
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The problem with you is that you accept only bible but Jesus could have accepted all the scriptures because He was the author of all the scritpures.


If Jesus Christ would be the author of all scriptures they wouldn't contradict to each other.

In your post you writing regarding reincarnation, when the Bible specifically says that man dies once and then he comes to judgment.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2008 01:43 am
@marcus cv,
marcus;61482 wrote:
If Jesus Christ would be the author of all scriptures they wouldn't contradict to each other.

In your post you writing regarding reincarnation, when the Bible specifically says that man dies once and then he comes to judgment.

This is due to your lack of divine knoweldge. In fact you shouldnot believe in re-incarnation. If you belive re-incarantion then your spiritual effort will get slackened. But when you do not believe in re-incarnation, then this is your last human life, after which either Hell or Heaven. Then how much spiritual effort you should put to please Lord and get salvation?
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