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Tue 16 Sep, 2008 12:02 am
Lord is the Greatest Scientist
If you observe the logical design and scientific management of this creation, you will say that He is the greatest scientist. He will never violate His own rules of nature and science which is His very psychology. The superpower (Maya) is also a deeper stage of science (Prakriti) as said in the Gita (Mayamtu prakritim'). A wonderful design with a logical plan (Maya) beyond our imagination exists as the basis of this nature, which is understood by us superficially (Prakriti). When you go deeper and deeper into science, the logic continues but at a stage, your capacity to understand it fails. That does not mean that logic vanished at the deeper level. The capacity of your intelligence to grasp that deeper logic alone has vanished. Maya is not the failure of logic but it is a deeper and deeper subtle logic, which can be understood only by God, who is the greatest scientist. Logic and science continue in a more and more subtle way but the limits of the grasping power of humans end at that level.
A schoolboy cannot follow quantum mechanics or wave mechanics which is dealt at the postgraduate level. The schoolboy says that the subject is beyond logic. According to a foolish student, there is no logic in that topic at that level. This is not true. His capacity to understand the logic of that level failed. That does not mean that the subject dealt at the postgraduate level is without logic and that all postgraduate students are beyond logic! More and more revelation of divine knowledge comes out from God, as your capacity or grasping power increases. God will not reveal the higher knowledge if your grasping power is low, because you will then say, that God is beyond logic, which means that God is mad. You should say that God is beyond your level of logic. God is quite logical at His level. The gap between your level of logic and His level of logic is called 'Avyaktam' or unimaginability of logic, which is the unbreakable ignorance.
The Veda says the same 'Avyaktat Purushah Parah''. The Gita also says the same 'Maam tu veda na kaschana...' Scientists say that they will reach the level of logic of God (Maya) by tomorrow, but that tomorrow always remains as a tomorrow. Scientists are egoistic due to their jealousy at this point, because they cannot accept God as greater than any scientist. When Einstein presented his paper on the Theory of Special Relativity, no scientist understood it except Einstein himself. But all of them respected Einstein. Then, why don't they accept and respect God? A miracle done by the Lord is only a demonstration of the existence of a deeper level of science or logic. Just like conservative religious followers discard other religions, conservative scientists discard the miracle as magic or illusion, because [according to them] nothing should exist beyond their level of logic. For a school student of physics, a sophisticated electronic instrument is also magic or an illusion because he cannot understand the level of science pertaining to that instrument. The uncertainty of Heisenberg should also be magic or an illusion in that case. All the great scientists believed in God, because of their lack of egoism and jealousy towards a greater concept.
Therefore, you should convince anybody only through logical and scientific analysis. That alone, can bring out the true interpretation of all the universal scriptures; any other emotional or exploitative methods can never do that. Only then invite people to participate practically in this divine mission, which alone can please the Lord. My dear devotees! I love all of you from the deepest level of My heart. I also like to wash the feet of all of you, as Jesus did on His last day. I would like to wash the feet of all of you with My tears of love and gratefulness for your faith that you have shown on Me. Never fall into the clutches of egoism. Aspiration for fame is also a partial effect of egoism. People will praise you as Gurus. Immediately pass on all the credit to God and take the defects onto you. God will be pleased with you.
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@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59863 wrote: Lord is the Greatest Scientist
He will never violate His own rules of nature
God violated the laws on conservation, upon creation of the universe....if indeed he did.
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;59917 wrote:God violated the laws on conservation, upon creation of the universe....if indeed he did.
God is beyond creation and is above laws of nature.
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59919 wrote:God is beyond creation and is above laws of nature.
Whether or not he is "above/beyond" the natural laws does not change the fact that he had to break them in order to create the universe....if he did.
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59919 wrote:God is beyond creation and is above laws of nature.
That by definition would make God... not science.
Although if you have evidence of this "above laws of nature", I'd love to see it.
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;59991 wrote:Whether or not he is "above/beyond" the natural laws does not change the fact that he had to break them in order to create the universe....if he did.
When the creation dependent on God how can creation dictates terms with God.
God cannot be attained by the deep analysis of any item in creation including the self. The self is a part of the creation alone since it is called as Para Prakruti or the best item of the creation by the Gita. God can neither be obtained by going down deeply into the self or going down deeply into any item in creation since the self is also just an item of creation. Self may be most precious but still it is only an item or a part of creation. The reason for not touching God by going down in the creation is that the link between the unimaginable God and the imaginable creation is also unimaginable. As you cannot touch the unimaginable God, you cannot touch the unimaginable link between God and creation also.
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;59991 wrote:Whether or not he is "above/beyond" the natural laws does not change the fact that he had to break them in order to create the universe....if he did.
The link between unimaginable and imaginable does not exist in the world and since it is unimaginable, the support of creation is not touched.
The link between two imaginable items is imaginable as available in the creation. The link between two unimaginable items is unimaginable but such a link is meaningless since the two unimaginable items can be conveniently merged into one unimaginable item. The link between an unimaginable item and an imaginable item is also unimaginable because of the non-availability of such a link in creation.
Therefore, self analysis or for that matter, the analysis of any other item of creation, cannot even touch God. Therefore, taking God as the support of the entire creation, you cannot make efforts to touch God by going down through any item of creation, applying deep analysis. There is no doubt that God is the basic support of the entire creation. But since there is no direct touch of God with the creation, due to the unimaginable link between God and creation, God cannot be touched by penetrating the unimaginable link. The ultimate item that can be touched by the deep analysis is only the primordial energy (cosmic energy). But since this primordial energy is inert, it cannot be treated as God.
@dattaswami cv,
WOW, you are making this way more complicated than it has to be. It's simple really! You state that god abides by all the natural laws, i give an example of how that is not true and now you are going around trying to rationalize this in any way you can.
I'm not arguing whether god can go beyond the laws of nature or even that he did because that would be irrelevant. If you want to continue this conversation in a productive manner and quantify your statement then
you need to show me how creating something does not violate conservation of mass (a law of nature). Once you do that then i will admit that i was wrong but until that time your statement remains incorrect.
@Fatal Freedoms,
Quote:you need to show me how creating something does not violate conservation of mass (a law of nature).
There is not problem with the law considering that God created the universe and the law. As a creator He is outside of the created system.
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@marcus cv,
marcus;60081 wrote:There is not problem with the law considering that God created the universe and the law. As a creator He is outside of the created system.
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For information the law definition: The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), says that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.[/SIZE]
again....he still broke it whether he is outside/beyond the law or whatever else you want to call it! The logic remains you can either brake a law or abide by it, you are trying to create a third option where there isn't one.
@marcus cv,
marcus;60081 wrote:There is not problem with the law considering that God created the universe and the law. As a creator He is outside of the created system.
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For information the law definition: The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), says that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.[/SIZE]
Sure there is. Firstly you cannot show evidence that this "creator" exists, much less that he/she/it "created" said physical laws.
You're still hitting the proverbial brick wall of actually showing evidence for the cause of what you claim.
Stumble It!
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