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Astrology should be understood in right perspective

 
 
Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 01:33 am
Astrology should be understood in right perspective

Continuous difficulties bore the soul and the attitude of God as the divine father is to make the souls happy and not to bore.

For this purpose He arranged the cycles of the lives with alternative happiness and misery. Unless the soul is a demon, it cannot get continuous difficulties because a demon only does continuous sins. A human being is neither a bad demon nor a good angel. He is a mixture of both (Anistamistam Mishramcha'.- Gita). Therefore, continuous problems cannot be accommodated in the cycle of deeds of human beings. Hence, happiness has to come after some period of misery like winter after summer or day after night. In such case the problem of devotion to God during the period of happiness becomes impossible.

Therefore, some clue should be adopted to foresee the misery in the future so that God can be worshipped even during the period of happiness to avoid the misery in future. The knowledge of alternating happiness and misery of the cycle of deeds is sufficient to realize the misery in the future. But for ordinary ignorant human beings such general concept will not give a real psychological effect. Unless an individual case is specified and unless the misery in the future is specifically indicated, the human being will not take up the worship of God with utmost care during happiness. For this purpose only, the subject of Astrology is born. By Astrology an individual can foresee the misery in the future.

Astrology is Jyotisha Shastram, which means the science of light. It is the torchlight to foresee the misery in the future. It shows both misery and happiness in the future. But a human being will be alert only to avoid the misery in the future by taking some action in the present as prevention. If the misery appears after a long time, the human being will again sleep in the present happiness. Therefore, the design of the recycling periods of the nine planets (Dasha) is arranged in a wonderful manner so that you can see some misery even in the next hour. This is done by the system of Dasa ' Antardasha ' Vidasha ' Sukshma Dasha ' Prana Dasha etc., among these nine planets some planets are good and some planets are certainly bad for any Zodiac (Raasi) in which one is born.

By these systems of period, sub-periods, sub sub-periods etc., one can find the involvement of a bad planet (intensity may vary) even in the next hour. Based on this system only astrologers can calculate the time of the incident very precisely even up to hours and minutes. Therefore, Astrology helps the human being to foresee the misery in the future and advises to avoid the misery by worship of God and by doing certain specified sacrifice (Daanam). This covers both theoretical and practical devotion continuously through out the life. Therefore, Astrology is justified because the ends justify the means. In fact it is a part of spiritual knowledge because God is also mentioned as the ultimate light (Paramjyoti rupasampadya - Veda, Jyotiridhikaranam of Brahma Sutras). Hence, these torch lights of the planets acting as secondary lights help the human being to worship the main ultimate light (God).

Today the human beings approach astrologers and hear the prophecy for one year. There was no difference between the Satguru (God in Human form) and Astrologer because the Satguru adopts the method of Astrology for ordinary ignorant human beings to create interest in God. In the beginning the interest may be as means but slowly on realizing the taste of God, they may become real devotees. This is the right spirit and direction of our tradition. If you observe today you can find the fate of such well-established divine tradition. The astrologer is not at all a Satguru.

He is just giving the prophecy to collect some money on that day for the prophecy. He also designs the future plan of his work in the year to earn money through the remedies suggested and his prophecy is just the annual financial budget. He sows the seed of fear of future misery in the minds of some rich people so that the future remedies can give some financial benefits to him or to his secret partners who are the priests involved in such remedies. Astrology is a part of the divine philosophy because the planets are the executive authorities of implementing the cycle of deeds based on the constitution spelled by God.

If you insult the astrology, God will also be furious because if a constable is insulted, the state police authority will feel seriously. Astrology is expected to lead the ordinary ignorant human beings into the spiritual path. If the astrologer realizes this truth and behaves accordingly, God will be pleased with him because astrologer will become a servant in the divine mission of the Lord. In such case all the problems of the astrologer will be taken care of by the divine grace and he need not worry about himself any more. The ordinary human souls are always like children who will sit and study only due to fear of cane appearing before their eyes and such cane is the misery in the future indicated by the astrologer. Either devotion or fear (Bhakti or Bhayam) can give fruit. If devotion is impossible the fear is used to develop the devotion at the ground level.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 10:29 am
@dattaswami cv,
Astrology!?

Give me a break. Astrology has no basis in reality, it is a fun little idea that is tossed around but nobody takes it seriously, and for good reason. The position of the earth around the sun has no affect on how happy or successful a person will be in their life.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 03:03 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;59146 wrote:
Astrology!?

Give me a break. Astrology has no basis in reality, it is a fun little idea that is tossed around but nobody takes it seriously, and for good reason. The position of the earth around the sun has no affect on how happy or successful a person will be in their life.


Fatal_Freedoms;

No doubt horoscope is the telescope for seeing the cycle of deeds. God has already arranged the happiness and misery in alternating way. The periods of nine planets rotate in a cycle. Each period has sub-periods of the nine planets again as a sub-cycle. This means that while eating a sweet dish a secondary hot dish is also introduced. The horoscope is a beautiful arrangement of your deeds in alternating way by the divine Father who has immense affection on the souls. The total period of the nine planets is 120 years. For each Zodiat of birth (Janma raasi) there will be a continuous ascending period of sixty years and another continuous descending period of 60 years. One may be born in the beginning or in the middle or in the end part of ascending period or descending period depending upon his previous interference through rituals. Mesha, Karkataka, Simha, Vrischika, Dhanush and Meena zodiats have the beginning of ascending period of 60 years which ends with the period of Jupiter. For other zodiats the ascending period of 60 years starts with the period of Saturn for 60 years which ends with the period of Venus. Thus one is born with an ascending period of 60 years or with a descending period of 60 years or at any point between these two periods. If a person is born in Mesha, starting with the period of Sun, the 60 years life time is ascending. If the same is born with the period of Saturn, the person will have a descending period of 60 years. A realized soul dragged back the fruits of bad deeds from the present life cycle, will be born in the beginning of ascending periods. If the ignorant soul dragged back the fruits of good deeds from the present cycle, he will be born in the beginning of descending period. If the whole life is with happiness or misery the person will be bored. The reason for such boring is only the person himself who has interfered with the good arrangement of God. Therefore Jesus said that let the will of God happen always. However for ignorant souls also the God made some compensation by introducing the sub-periods of all the nine planets in the main period of each planet. Thus a secondary alternative arrangement of side dishes is done by the Godmother because the children are ignorant of even the technology of eating!

Jyotisham (Astrology) is the subject which relates to Jyoti or planet. The actual meaning of Jyoti is only God. According to the Veda (Param Jyotirupasampadyate) and the Brahma Sutras (refer the sutra of Jyotiradhikaranam). Jyoti means light. The planet is like the jailor guiding you to the jail where you will enjoy the misery or is like a guide who guides you to a bar like heaven where you will drink and sleep. The planet guides you to the fruit of your deed. It is called as Graha which means that it will capture you wherever you are present to deliver the fruit of your deed to you at the exact fraction of second. It is a computerized system of deeds and fruits. This computer does all the calculations and is called as Chitra Gupta. Chitra Gupta means the protector of witness through the audio and video system. All your thoughts, words and deeds are recorded and will be exhibited as witness in the upper world. The judge does not require any type of other witness. There is no need of an advocate and therefore such provision does not exist. You will just see and hear your thoughts, words and deeds in the audio and video system (Chitra Gupta) and an automatic judgment is delivered by another system called as Yama.

There is no possibility of doing any ritual there since it is only a place of enjoyment of fruits (Bhoga Loka). All the heavenly pleasures and hell - punishments are given according to periods of another horoscope that is prepared based on the time of death. Thus the wheel of the planets is the executive system of the soul in this world as well as in the upper world. Yama is the son of the Sun like Saturn, is also the controlling powerful planet in the upper world. The Lord is all in all and is the employer of the planets. The planets function due to the fear about Lord. The Veda says the same (Bhishodeti Suryah). Astrologers are like the elementary school teachers and should become spiritual gurus like professors. The priests and the astrologers should rise in their standards and guide the people to the spiritual path. Instead of doing so, both have colluded and are doing business by exploiting the public.

The astrologer takes some money for studying the horoscope and recommends the Japam of a planet. The priest does it and gives commission to the astrologers. It is like a doctor referring the patient to the laboratory for diagnosis for getting the commission. The whole spirit is lost and the spiritual path is lost long back in this Kali Yuga. The priests and the astrologers say a story that even Lord Shiva suffered due to Saturn. The story is only a creation for promoting the business. Even if you believe the story, you can take it in positive sense. You can understand that even the Lord respects the cycle of deeds. What sin Lord Shiva did to undergo the affect of Saturn? The story is foolish even at the root. Let us assume that even Lord Shiva has to suffer the affect of Saturn for a bad deed. If that is so, how can an ordinary human being escape the same type of effect with the help of this petty priest and petty astrologer?

Astrology is elementary level of spiritual knowledge which introduces the super-natural power that is beyond the science. This should finally lead to the existence of unimaginable God beyond logic and science. Astrology is not allowed to grow to become philosophy by these commercial intellectuals. Its growth is arrested and is limited so that the exploitation of devotees can take place. Astrology should be allowed to become philosophy. The school education should grow to become the university standard. The priests and astrologers should develop to become spiritual gurus. Otherwise they are doing sin in the name of God which will affect them here and there.

The astrologers have developed a wrong concept in astrology by which the people think that they are receiving good or bad affects accidentally by the movement of planets without reference to their deeds. It is just like saying that one is arrested by police on a road because while he was standing on the road, the police incidentally came there and captured him. He is feeling that his arrest was due to the incidental meeting with the police on the road and the arrest happened without any reason. Similarly people are thinking that the bad results are achieved by the incidental movement of the planets and their periods. This is complete nonsense. The planets are very disciplined and regular in their movements. Since you are proved as a thief and your arrest is ordered by the court, the police have arrested you with the exact background. You pose as if you are innocent and the arrest is simply incidental due to movement of police meeting you accidentally. You may escape the police for sometime even after the order from the court, but the planet catches you exactly in the same fraction of second as soon of the order from the divine court is released.

In fact the results of deeds of any human being are mainly postponed after the death to the upper world. The results of all your deeds are not given in this world especially when you are in the human life which is very rare. The main aim of this very rare human life is that you should recognize the God and obtain His grace before the end of this human life. This human life is mainly meant for such effort (Saadhana) and therefore this world is called as Karma Loka. You will not be always disturbed with the enjoyment of fruits of your deeds in this world because the main purpose will not be served in this little precious time of human life. When the student is occupied in the studies in the period of preparation for examination, the principal will not disturb him either by punishments or by encouraging cultural activities. Once the examinations are over there is a long vacation time in which these can be take up.

Similarly there is lot of time after death and therefore the fruits of the deeds are mainly given after the death in a separate world called as Bhoga Loka. The earth is meant for the karma to be done to recognize the human form of the Lord and get guidance and practice it to please God. Therefore a separate time and a separate world (hell & heaven) are meant for this purpose. People who do not know the main aim of human life and the significance of this karma loka are worried for not seeing the results here itself immediately. This is the main aim of creation of hell and heaven separately as the upper worlds. However the results of some deeds are released here itself in case they can activate the soul in the spiritual line. With such aim certain effects of misery to divert the soul to the God and certain effects of happiness as alternative intervals for encouragement are released.

Without understanding the significance of these effects, people either sleep and become lazy in happiness or get worried and feel tensions in misery. When such effects have no use on the spiritual line, the soul is released from the gross body and is pushed to Bhoga Loka and further cycles of animals and birds in a condemned state. Thus the ultimate aim of human life and the ultimate aim of the good and bad results must be realized in the light of the spiritual divine path. This human life is not just for the mechanical deeds and corresponding results like a routine machine.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 07:14 am
@dattaswami cv,
There is absolutely no evidence that suggests that the position of the earth during a person's birth has any affect on the happiness or success on anyone.
Numpty
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 08:34 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Hmmmm, i got bored, sorry but i just wasn't feeling it.

Though this did spike a little interest
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When such effects have no use on the spiritual line, the soul is released from the gross body and is pushed to Bhoga Loka and further cycles of animals and birds in a condemned state.


I was just hoping you could point me in the right direction so you can demonstrate this to me, with the scientific evidence which supports your fantasy.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 12:35 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;59167 wrote:
Hmmmm, i got bored, sorry but i just wasn't feeling it.

Though this did spike a little interest


I was just hoping you could point me in the right direction so you can demonstrate this to me, with the scientific evidence which supports your fantasy.

Numpty;


After death soul takes a gaseous body containing all the systems like respiratory system
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 12:36 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;59167 wrote:
Hmmmm, i got bored, sorry but i just wasn't feeling it.

Though this did spike a little interest


I was just hoping you could point me in the right direction so you can demonstrate this to me, with the scientific evidence which supports your fantasy.


Various upper worlds Martya Loka, Preta Loka, Naraka Loka , Pitru Loka




The Bhu Loka is subdivided into four sub-worlds and as we go up, the component of energy in the body increases gradually.

The Bhu Loka is the starting world, which is subdivided into Martya Loka, Preta Loka, Naraka Loka and Pitru Loka. The lowest Martya Loka is the region in which the human beings live with materialized human bodies. As we go up, the matter gets transformed into energy. In Pitru Loka, the body has a lot of energetic-phase and very little matter-phase. After pitru loka, the next bhuvar loka starts in which all the bodies are of complete energy. The respiratory and digestive systems in the body, become weaker and weaker as we go to Pitru Loka. The souls in Pitru Loka, take almost moonlight as their main food in which the concept of matter becomes almost negligible. The souls in the Pitru Loka or moon are almost having energetic bodies.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 12:37 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;59167 wrote:
Hmmmm, i got bored, sorry but i just wasn't feeling it.

Though this did spike a little interest


I was just hoping you could point me in the right direction so you can demonstrate this to me, with the scientific evidence which supports your fantasy.


Bhuvar Loka, Suvar Loka, Mahar Loka, Jana Loka, and Tapo Loka, Brahma Loka


From the second main upper world, Bhuvar Loka, the intensity of the energetic bodies increases gradually and the souls return from all the upper worlds.

The second main world is Bhuvar Loka or Dyu Loka or Jyotir Loka, where the body is full of energy only. The third upper world starting from the sun upto the Dhruva Star (Pole Star) is Suvar Loka or heaven. Above this, Mahar Loka, Jana Loka, and Tapo Loka exist. Finally, Brahma Loka exists. As the body goes to the upper and upper worlds the frequency or intensity of the energy increases. Including Brahma Loka, the soul returns back to the earth (Martya Loka) from all the upper worlds.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:17 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59187 wrote:
Numpty;


After death soul takes a gaseous body containing all the systems like respiratory system


Yeah, saying it again over and over doesn't make it anymore truer.
Now can you demonstrate this to me in a scientific way please? if this is an event and these 'gases' are contained with in th body then they must be measurable.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 09:22 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59188 wrote:


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The Bhu Loka is subdivided into four sub-worlds

prove it.

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and as we go up, the component of energy in the body increases gradually.

prove it.

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The Bhu Loka is the starting world,

prove it.

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which is subdivided into Martya Loka, Preta Loka, Naraka Loka and Pitru Loka.

prove it.

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The lowest Martya Loka is the region in which the human beings live with materialized human bodies.

prove it.

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As we go up, the matter gets transformed into energy.

prove it.

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In Pitru Loka, the body has a lot of energetic-phase and very little matter-phase.

prove it.

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After pitru loka, the next bhuvar loka starts in which all the bodies are of complete energy.

prove it.

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The respiratory and digestive systems in the body, become weaker and weaker as we go to Pitru Loka.

prove it.

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The souls in Pitru Loka, take almost moonlight as their main food in which the concept of matter becomes almost negligible.

prove it.

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The souls in the Pitru Loka or moon are almost having energetic bodies.

prove it.





Hopefully you are able to see a pattern emerging here. stating your beliefs is not proof nor does it constitute evidence. These statements you have made are completely devoid of deductive reasoning or evidence.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2008 10:37 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;59213 wrote:
dattaswami;59188 wrote:



pro.f deductive reasoning or evidence.


God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space.

Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation.

This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2008 11:04 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59249 wrote:
Fatal_Freedoms;59213 wrote:


God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space.

Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation.

This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.


:rollinglaugh:

Again stating what you believe does not constitute evidence. You are making too many assumptions.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2008 09:13 pm
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59249 wrote:
Fatal_Freedoms;59213 wrote:


God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space.

Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation.

This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.


Love it, so if god is so unimginable how come you know of him /her?

Secondly if we do actually know there is a god, then there must be evidence, so present it to FF and I so we can see for ourselves.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 12:36 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;59254 wrote:
dattaswami;59249 wrote:


Love it, so if god is so unimginable how come you know of him /her?

Secondly if we do actually know there is a god, then there must be evidence, so present it to FF and I so we can see for ourselves.



Even though God is unimaginable, He comes down in human form known as Human Incarnation. He is the proof for God. He does miracles and He gives wonderful divine knoweldge which removes all our doubts. He is present on this earth now. SO that we can see Him also.
Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 09:14 pm
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;59260 wrote:
Numpty;59254 wrote:



Even though God is unimaginable, He comes down in human form known as Human Incarnation. He is the proof for God. He does miracles and He gives wonderful divine knoweldge which removes all our doubts. He is present on this earth now. SO that we can see Him also.


Good Good. have you got a picture I can see please?
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Numpty
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 01:35 am
dattaswami;59302 wrote:
Numpty;59281 wrote:


Yes, the following link you can see Him

Universal Spirituality


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Nice one, you've been pulling my leg all along. I see the joke. Thanks for the laugh mate, made me giggle.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 06:53 am
dattaswami;59302 wrote:
Numpty;59281 wrote:


Yes, the following link you can see Him

Universal Spirituality


that's a painting.

Do you have a photograph?
Numpty
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 06:55 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;59313 wrote:
dattaswami;59302 wrote:


that's a painting.

Do you have a photograph?


This isn't a Joke? Come on it must be.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 07:03 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;59314 wrote:
Fatal_Freedoms;59313 wrote:


This isn't a Joke? Come on it must be.


I have no doubt that, this guy has truly deluded himself or has been by others to such a degree that these outrageous assumptions are ingrained into his thought process.

To him the idea of a world without god is like a world without the direction "down" to us. It has become part of his foundation of knowledge that nothing else makes sense if a god was not there. In other words, he is beyond repair.

might as well have some fun while we're here. Very Happy
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