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God Vs Awareness

 
 
Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 11:25 pm
God Vs Awareness

God being the Creator of all entities, all properties and all works and also being the Designer of their specific associations, cannot be concluded to be mere awareness due to the work form of wish.

Simply based on the wish to create the world, you should not decide that God is awareness. God can do everything, whereas the awareness cannot do everything. God can wish anything and also can burn anything simultaneously. Awareness can only think anything but cannot burn anything. If you say that God is awareness, since God wished, you have to say that God is fire since He burns anything. God is the source of all items, all qualities and all works in the creation. By the order of God only, a specific item is associated with a specific quality and corresponding specific work. The fire is an entity. Its quality is heat. Its work is to burn anything.

The fire is associated with the property of heat and the work of burning only by the will of the Lord. If God wishes, the fire is no more hot and cannot burn anything. If God wishes, the water gets the property of heat and starts burning everything. You can identify the entity through the specific property or specific work based on the already sanction of God. Since God is the creator of all entities, all properties and all works, God can attain any quality and can do any work. In such a case, you have to conclude that God is every item in this creation. The Brahma Sutra (Ikshateh') means, that God enters the item qualified by awareness. It means that God does not enter into a non-living being. The awareness is the broad step of the address of God existing in the specific medium. This is the basic point where Advaitins slipped and their basic confusion continued throughout their philosophy.

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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2008 09:43 am
@dattaswami cv,
prove it.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2008 10:37 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;58876 wrote:
prove it.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2008 10:39 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;58876 wrote:
prove it.


Fatal_Freedoms;

Awareness in the creation does not exist independently since it is always a generated item by the combined operation of respiratory, digestive, and the nervous systems. Charvaka or science should be respected in this point. The cause or the quality of the cause should be an independent item and should not be a generated item. The individual soul is a bit of awareness is neither the total God nor is the part of the God. The unimaginable power of creation or control of the universe by God is neither totally seen nor partly seen in any individual soul. In the ancient days awareness was thought to be an independent item due to lack of scientific knowledge.

But now science has clearly proved that awareness is only an item of creation and not the creator. Thus science cannot prove the nature of God directly but can prove the nature of any item of the creation as the non-God item as in the case of awareness.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2008 12:11 pm
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;58879 wrote:


Generally people do not assume the existence of invisible objects unless their presence can be objectively measured. Why do people make exceptions for things they were conditioned from childhood to believe in?
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 11:06 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;58885 wrote:
Generally people do not assume the existence of invisible objects unless their presence can be objectively measured. Why do people make exceptions for things they were conditioned from childhood to believe in?


God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.

Such God desired to create this Universe for entertainment. The very desire itself is the Creation. In view of God this present materialized universe in only an idea or imagination or the very desire itself. Therefore, the desire to create the world is itself the desire and also the created world itself is a desire. Thus the creation, maintenance and dissolution of the imaginary world are also imaginations or desires. A part of this infinite creation is the individual soul. The soul is like a drop of the infinite ocean of imagination or desire of God. Thus, quantitatively the entire ocean of imagination of God is very huge compared to the tiny soul. Remember that both the Universe and the tiny soul are made of the same substance called as imagination or desire. Thus the force of the Universe is far greater than the force of the soul. Due to such huge quantitative difference of the same phase, the Universe, which is far stronger than the soul appears as a materialized entity for the soul. But this infinite ocean of desire, which is the infinite Universe is a tiny drop compared to the infinite force of God. Therefore, again due to the same quantitative difference of force the entire universe is just the very weak imagination from the view of God. Thus imagination and materialization exist simultaneously true from the point of God and soul.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 12:16 pm
@dattaswami cv,
um...so you gonna respond to my actual statement or are you just gonna go on another rant?

I could reply to your statements but you didn't bother to answer the question i asked and just started spouting off again about you idiotic belief. I'm not so much interested in what you believe but rather how you justify those beliefs.
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