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By clonning can human become God

 
 
Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 02:09 am
[SIZE="4"]By clonning can human become God

God created space, matter and energy just by His will as you create a dream of your imagination by your will. The dream qualitatively resembles the universe. But the magnitude or power is infinitely large in the creation of the universe from God. Therefore your dream is not as real as the universe. But you are talking about the creation of items of the universe. Certainly you are not going to create the human beings which are the items of this universe by your will. You cannot create even a real atom by your will. Therefore the comparison with God is absolutely meaningless. Assuming that you have created the human being, you are creating the human being with the help of some living matter and energy supplied to you. Even there you are creating a living item from another living tissue only and not from inert materials and inert energy.

Parents also create a baby from living tissue like sperm and ovum. In what way is your new process of creation (by cloning) different from the conventional reproduction as far as the basic point is concerned? Therefore, you are far from your dream of becoming God by millions and millions of miles.

You can represent the creator and the process of creation as a representative model when you generate an imaginary world by your will in a daydream and control that day dream by your will. The Lord gave this ability to you as a representative model so that you will understand the concept of creation of the universe by the Lord, when He preaches the divine knowledge in His human form. A model only indicates the actual concept and should not be considered as another duplicate concept at a micro-level. Through this concept of dream, people have misunderstood that a soul is a spark of God since the human dream can be considered as the same concept on the micro-level. A diagram of power station on a sheet is only a model to explain the original concept. The diagram itself is not a micro power station and it cannot generate even one milivolt of electricity.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 03:15 am
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;64161 wrote:
[SIZE="4"]By clonning can human become God

God created space, matter and energy just by His will as you create a dream of your imagination by your will. The dream qualitatively resembles the universe. But the magnitude or power is infinitely large in the creation of the universe from God. Therefore your dream is not as real as the universe. But you are talking about the creation of items of the universe.
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EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE did I mention EVIDENCE?

JUst repeating doesn't make it anymore truer. Please esablish the basis for your preaching. Or can't you?
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 12:26 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;64166 wrote:
EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE did I mention EVIDENCE?

JUst repeating doesn't make it anymore truer. Please esablish the basis for your preaching. Or can't you?


[SIZE="4"]Recently some devotees were asking Me about the latest scientific development called cloning. They are telling Me that the offspring is produced from the tissue of hair and the offspring gets the same characteristics, by which there is a point that whether the soul is regenerated. The point is whether the soul from the parent is divided so that the first part remains in the parent and second part enters the offspring. When Lord Siva became furious, He plucked one of His hair and threw it on the floor. From that hair, Veerabhadra is produced, who got all the anger from the Lord Siva. The same point arises here.

First of all we should analyse the soul. The soul is made of pure awareness. The vibrations of pure awareness are called as feelings or qualities. Therefore all the characteristic qualities are associated with the soul and are made of pure awareness.

What is pure awareness? It is only a special form of inert energy. When we eat the food, it is oxidised by the oxygen received through the respiratory system. When the food is assimilated in the digestive system, it is oxidised by the Oxygen from the respiratory system, which is carried by the blood in dissolved state through Haemoglobin. The oxidation of food is exothermic reaction and liberates inert heat energy. This inert heat energy is converted into a special form of energy called awareness by the nervous system.

The electricity is produced by the generator and enters the tube light. The electrical energy is converted into light, which is another new form of energy. The heat energy produced by the interaction of digestive and respiratory system is called life energy (Pranamaya kosa). When this heat energy is converted into awareness by nervous system the awareness or mind is produced (Manomaya kosa). This awareness which is in the purest state is called as the soul (or Atman). This awareness is propagated in the form of pulses and these pulses as a bundle is called as Jeeva. The bundle of pulses of awareness is called as simply Jeeva from the point of pulses, is called as Atman from the point of awareness and is also called as Jeevatman from the point of both the pulses and awareness.

The constant propagation of pulses is called as mind (manas). The impressions of strong pulses are called as Chittam. The production of strong of pulses by the interaction of several weak pulses is called as intelligence or determination or Buddhi. The strong pulse that keeps the identity of the body is called as Ahamkara or ego. When you say the word Jeeva, it refers only to Manas, Chittam, Buddhi and Ahamkara (Antahkaranams). Therefore the soul and Jeeva together called as Jeevatma is only a special form of energy i.e., generated by the interaction of digestive, respiratory and nervous systems. Thus Jeeva representing the bundle of characteristics and Atman representing the special form of energy or Soul can be only the items of creation and not the creator. You are worried about the generation of Soul but there need not be any worry because Soul is an item of creation. In this creation there is conversion of matter into energy.

There is conversion of one type of matter into another type of matter through a chemical reaction as done by chemists. There is also conversion of one form of energy into another form of energy as done by physicists. There is conversion of matter into energy as done by technologists and engineers. Now if the Soul is generated, what is there to worry? This topic comes under the realm of creation and is within the boundaries of the creation. Gita says that the Soul is Paraprakruti. Prakruti means creation. Para means the finest part of creation. Therefore the transformation of Soul or division of Soul or generation of Soul is only topic of science and is not a topic of spirituality. Spirituality deals with creator who is beyond the creation. Veda says ?Annat Purushah?, which means that the Soul is produced from the food. It is conversion of matter into Soul, which is energy.

When Ahalya is converted into stone the Soul of Ahalya did not go to any upper world in which case, it would have been death of Ahalya. The Soul of Ahalya existed in that stone. This is conversion of energy into matter, because Soul is energy. Again when the stone is converted into Ahalya the matter is converted into the Soul i.e., energy. Lord Krishna created His friends and the cows in duplicate when they are stolen and hidden by Prajapati in the upper world. The same body and the same Soul is existing in two places. This answers the issue raised by the cloning. A duplicate Soul with the same characteristics can be created even with a similar body. The friends of Krishna created with the same qualities behaved as the original beings.

If you take the case of Robot the electrical energy is converted into awareness through the wires, which are the nerves in the human being. The information chip introduced in the Robot is the Soul i.e., containing the characteristics (Samskaras and Vaasanaas) that were accumulated in the previous births. Therefore the production of Robot shows the production of nervous energy or awareness. In Robot, digestive system and respiratory system are not necessary because the inert electrical energy is already directly introduced into the Robot. The production of heat energy as in the human being is not necessary. Robot is the best example to convert the electro-magnetic waves of one range into another range called as awareness or nervous energy.

Parabrahman, the absolute God or the creator is beyond science and logic. Spirituality deals with the matters related to God. You may ask that how we can deal with the subject of God which is beyond logic? Such unimaginable creator enters an imaginable item of the creation and gives His experience to us. Therefore spirituality deals with such items of creation into which God entered. The medium into which the God entered is imaginable and can be discussed by logic. The medium has all its properties. But the medium also derives the properties of that absolute God by experiencing which, we can recognise the God in that medium. Ofcourse the properties of God are again certain selected properties of creation only. By the presence of God such selected properties become unimaginable. We say ?God in flesh? as per the Bible.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 07:51 pm
@dattaswami cv,
Never have I read such load of complete and utter bumkin.

You have not provided a single shread of evidence. You talk of science, yet you have no comprehension of how it actually works.

Lets look at one of your statements:

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What is pure awareness? It is only a special form of inert energy. When we eat the food, it is oxidised by the oxygen received through the respiratory system. When the food is assimilated in the digestive system, it is oxidised by the Oxygen from the respiratory system, which is carried by the blood in dissolved state through Haemoglobin. The oxidation of food is exothermic reaction and liberates inert heat energy. This inert heat energy is converted into a special form of energy called awareness by the nervous system.


Now you say this is fact, yet you produce no evidence. To help you understand what is required I will list a couple of things you need. Lets take a very big leap here and say that your idea is a theory


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In science, the word theory is used as a plausible general principle or body of principles offered to explain a phenomenon.[4]. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet but we invoke theories of gravity to explain this occurrence. However, even inside the sciences the word theory picks out several different concepts dependent on the context. In casual speech scientists don't use the term theory in a particularly precise fashion, allowing historical accidents to determine whether a given body of scientific work is called a theory, law, principle or something else. For instance Einstein's relativity is usually called "the theory of relativity" while Newton's theory of gravity often is called "the law of gravity." In this kind of casual use by scientists the word theory can be used flexibly to refer to whatever kind of explanation or prediction is being examined. It is for this instance that a scientific theory is a claim based on a body of evidence.


The English Dictionary denotes a Theory as being


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A set of ideas formulated (by reasoning from known facts)


So in the two quotes above a theory is made up of two specific things,...evidence and facts. This is how a scientific theory works, evidence and facts are brought together in sequence and a Conclusion (theory) demonstrated. This is then peer reviewed by other scientists and they either come to the same conlusion or not. It is then tested, retested and tested again. If at any point a theory does not stack up based on the evidence it is discarded.


So in order for this statement to be true

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This inert heat energy is converted into a special form of energy called awareness by the nervous system


You need to demonstrate the above process.

Just saying it over and over again does not make it anymore true.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 12:49 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;64191 wrote:


Just saying it over and over again does not make it anymore true.


[SIZE="4"]You yourself can verify this point of inert energy from food becoming awareness. Stop taking food for some time may be days, you will find that your awareness is decreasing! This proves that there exists awareness which in its purest form is called soul. You are seeing only your outer human body, and you treat yourself as that body. But after death soul goes to the upper world. This proves that you are no body but the soul only.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 07:52 pm
@dattaswami cv,
dattaswami;64215 wrote:
[SIZE="4"]You yourself can verify this point of inert energy from food becoming awareness. Stop taking food for some time may be days, you will find that your awareness is decreasing! This proves that there exists awareness which in its purest form is called soul. You are seeing only your outer human body, and you treat yourself as that body. But after death soul goes to the upper world. This proves that you are no body but the soul only.
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So food makes me aware?

No, that would be the chemical reactions going on in my brain.

Plus would you not say that water was a bigger influence than food? See how long you surrvive without water as opposed to food, think you'll find water is the most important component, considering two thirds of our body is made from it.

But you still haven't shown my any evidence. You have made some big claims, yet so far you have been unable to back them up, I want physical evidence of this soul and how food makes you directly aware.
dattaswami cv
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 11:31 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;64232 wrote:
So food makes me aware?

No, that would be the chemical reactions going on in my brain.

Plus would you not say that water was a bigger influence than food? See how long you surrvive without water as opposed to food, think you'll find water is the most important component, considering two thirds of our body is made from it.

But you still haven't shown my any evidence. You have made some big claims, yet so far you have been unable to back them up, I want physical evidence of this soul and how food makes you directly aware.

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The chemical reaction in the brain is taking place because of the energy derived from oxidation of food. The energy released by the oxidation of the food propagates in the nervous system as pulses known as Soul.[/SIZE]
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