dattaswami, in response to your website.

"But you are also incapable of directly proving the non-existence of these super worlds."

My response: Correct, i am not capable of disproving many things, but i won't believe in them simply because i cannot disprove them. If i did my head would be filled with a great number of fantasies simply because i cannot disprove them. The burden of proof lies on the person who claims these places exist.


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My response: I do not claim to know that these places do not exist, simply that i do not believe in them.



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"there is an equal chance for the existence and non-existence of the super worlds according to the theory of probability."

My response: Simply because there are two options does not mean the two options hold equal weight. Also probability is not a theory but a mathematical concept.

Atheists do not believe in hell,

The abode of God as - upper most world is also required,
Because for the souls - in energetic bodies after death,

But scientists say that space is infinite

If there is a compound wall,

Let us assume their presence, - what will be your fate? Think.
You will be powdered in hell,

- here also due to over luxuries
You have lost health and peace, - loss here as well as there.

Building is there. Implies Builder should be there. Creation is there. Creator should be there.

I can see the building, which is in front of my eyes, but builder need not stand in front of the building.

He will be in his own job. If you want to meet the builder, you should definitely put effort to locate the builder and see him.

Likewise Creation is there in front of our eyes.

But have we put anytime effort to locate and identify the creator? Instead of that, with least effort we can propagate to others also that God is not there.

They are not only blinded, they are making others also blinded. Some people who are theists may become prey for the propagation of this ignorance also unfortunately. The greatest sin on the earth is to be unfaithful.

To identify the builder you should know the identification marks,

where he lives, what he does etc.. and we have to inquire if we don't know. This is to say that knowledge is required to identify any person.

This knowledge is called divine knowledge

if the aim is to identify the Lord, which actually only is to be propagated. Lord created this universe for the enjoyment without any selfish motive and we human beings are enjoying the creation.

Like through nice parents, wife, children, beautiful nature consisting of pleasant looking mountains, rivers, sea, nature, changing weather etc.

If we cannot please the Lord, the human life is incomplete.

We serve our family members by spending our hard earned money and also physically. Are we not serving family as Servant, and these family members are nearly equal to us.

Where as, Lord is omnipotent and requires no help from us, many times satisfied our desires, saved us from mishaps etc. and if we cannot bow our head in front of Him, it is very ridiculous. It is very great honour to serve Him, this is the path followed by His real devotees. These real devotees could overcome ego and always wants to serve Him as servant.

Jesus preached the gospel and His followers participated in His mission as servants for further propagation of divine knowledge. These great devotees never hesitated to serve Lord Jesus and their names have also been known even today.

Therefore, the deep analysis of the nature which is Science is exposing the miracle of God to every body in this world and there is no need of a separate miracle.

Therefore, Science is the best religion exposing the existence of God to every ordinary human being on this earth including atheist.

Therefore, I have given a place for Science in the symbol of Universal Spirituality.

A scientist does not require a separate miracle to recognize the existence of God

like a realized soul since the deeper analysis of this nature reveals the unimaginable power of God

A scientist who does not believe the existence of God is not a scientist at all.

thats a bit of wishful thinking on your part, don't you think?



science does not deal with the supernatural. Science only deals with phenomena. Scientists neither prove nor disprove the existence of god.




Science is not a religion. It deals not with supernatural nor does it rely on faith, in fact science discourages faith and embraces logic and evidence.



that's nice.



recognizing god is not the job of a scientist.



how so?



so if a scientist disagree with you (which is like 90% of them) then they don't count as scientists? That is very arrogant of you to say.

define unimaginable!



For me the concept of a "million" is unimaginable but that does not mean it is "other-worldly" in any way.

define unimaginable!



For me the concept of a "million" is unimaginable but that does not mean it is "other-worldly" in any way.

If you choose that way, silence only indicates God and some have followed this way also.

It is silly to define the essence of something by whether or not you can imagine it, this is a completely subjective measure that means different things to different people.



Ps. I don't care what the veda's says....unless you can independently test every statement made within it, it means nothing to me or anyone else in this group.

Fatal_Freedoms;

This is the practical problem in revealing the absolute truth.

The basis is the observation of this world containing all imaginable items only. Hence all his logic is based on the observation of the nature of imaginable items and the relationships between the imaginable items only.

This means that the preacher should say that God is an imaginable item and the imaginable process of generation of the imaginable world from imaginable God is in imaginable way only.

But to satisfy the student the hypothesis introduced here is that God is pure awareness.

Here the infinite ocean of pure awareness is an assumption created because there is no proof of such ocean of awareness anywhere because you can find only the infinite ocean of inert energy. The infinite ocean of awareness is created by the preacher and such ocean charged by God can be treated as God Himself like the live wire treated as current. Now the student is satisfied.

Similarly, the creation of world from God should be also done through the imaginable way answering all the objections through imaginable ways only. This makes again the creation of another assumption for the process of creating the world by God.

The assumption here is that a second unimaginable item called as the power of God is created which is modified into the world. Since the power is negligible, the world is negligible and maintains the existence of single God or Brahman. It is like the dream of a person created by the modification of the mind and the mind is negligible compared to the materialistic person. In course of time to satisfy the logic of students, changes in the hypothesis are made by Ramanuja and Madhva who introduced the assumption of a separate material, which is modified as the world without any connection to God.

The hypothetical assumptions can be varied for the sake of preaching the truth to the students in order to satisfy their logic developed from the observation of the world containing only imaginable items. This does not mean that the theories are different.

There is only one real theory that both God and the link between God and world are unimaginable.

The fine-tuning you see is the result of millions of years of trial and error.

If you did anything for a million years, chances are, you'd be pretty good at it. The same goes for the functions of life forms.

Fine tuning in everything related to technology, even seemingly meaningless technology such as how a child's toy jumps when wound properly requires forethought, study and adjustments by a thinking, acting being or beings. They were not tried and judged working or non-working by "chance".