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Who Is A True Jew?

 
 
Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 08:14 pm
I know that this post (this was written by me and not a copy and past from somewhere else) will offend some but then again the truth has been a source of offence since the first man and woman chose to follow Satan rather than God...so read on if you like.

It is important to keep in mind that the point that I am making is a spiritual one, and not biological or ethnic. This point should be clear to the reader before you finish the article.


[CENTER]Who Is A True Jew?
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God's Promise to Abram/Abraham

Genesis 12:1 (KJV)
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

God's Promise to Bless the Nations through Abram

Genesis 22:18 (KJV)
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

God Reaffirms His Promise in Isaac

Genesis 17:21 (KJV)
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Jacob Became A New Man

Genesis 32:28 (KJV)
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

God Reaffirms His Promise In Jacob whose Name Was Changed to Israel

Genesis 35:12 (KJV)
And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.

The Royal Descendants

Genesis 29:35 (KJV)
And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing.

Matthew 1:2-16 (KJV)
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

The Kingly Line

Genesis 49:10 (KJV)
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Shiloh: Shiyloh,shee-lo'; from Hebrew (shalah); tranquil; Shiloh, an epithet of the Messiah :- Shiloh.

Salvation came through the Jews

John 4:22 (KJV)
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

For you to be saved you have to become a spiritual Jew; even a natural born Jew must become a spiritual Jew in order to be saved. It also means that the Messiah came from the Jewish Nation, also you will see as you read God will use spiritual Jews to bring salvation to the entire world, so salvation will come through them as well.

Galatians 3:16 (KJV)
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Jesus' Family/A True Jew

Matthew 12:48-50 (KJV)
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Matthew 25:40 (KJV)
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Just to Explain Mathew 25 and Verse 40 I Will Divert a Little From the Topic

Jesus is not speaking to those who will be glorified at His second coming, they have by that time are ruling with Him in glory. It is they that are ruling with Him (who were glorified at His return) that He call's His brethren. He is saying to those He is about to receive into the kingdom/glorified, these here my brethren; what you did for them, (before they were glorified) you did it to me. In other words, Jesus will look favorably on sinners who were compassionate to Christians in their time of distress.

Luke 16:9 (KJV)
And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

Luke 16:9(New International Version)
I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.
During the Great Tribulation some of God's people will suffer persecution, and no doubt will be helped by some non-Christians, in the same way some of the Jews were helped by non-Jews during the Holocaust. However, this is not just limited to the Great Tribulation it's applicable to any period.

A True Descendant of Abraham

John 8:39 (KJV)
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Matthew 7:21 (KJV)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Romans 9:6-8 (KJV)
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The children of the promise are those who are Abraham's seed through faith. The true children of God are those who do God's will, just as Abraham did.

God Can Raise Up Children of Abraham From Stones

Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Luke 3:8 (KJV)
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

The Kingdom of God is given to those That Will Do What A True Jew Should Do

Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The Spiritual Jew

Romans 2:29 (KJV)
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

God Has Made Those Who Were Not Jews To Become Spiritual Jews

Acts 13:46 (KJV)
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Nation: ethnos,eth'-nos; probably from Greek (etho); a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan) :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

Romans 11:24 (KJV)
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The True Children of Abraham Will Sit Down In the Kingdom of God

Luke 13:28-29 (KJV)
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Descendants Of Abraham Will Be Kings

Genesis 17:6 (KJV)
And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

This verse is not just talking about the physical Nation of Israel; it is also, and more so, talking about those who are children of Abraham by faith. The true children of Abraham will sit down in the Kingdom of God.

But Galatians 3:28 Says There Are No Jews?

Galatians 3:28 (KJV)
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3: and verse 28 is not a contradiction of some of what Jesus said prier to when the above verse was said. The issue was is God a respecter of persons/Jews, simply because of who they are? It was hard for some Jews to accept the fact that God wanted all people to be saved, including the Gentiles.

God Will Show the World Who Are Truly the Children of Abraham

God will make people to come and worship before our feet

Rev. 3:9 (KJV)
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Those who say they are Jews, and are not; this is talking about false Christians or Jews (those who say they are God's people, but are not). When one considers themselves to be a Christian, it is the same as saying; "I am a true Jew". Remember the first Christians were Jews.

The Apostle Paul Knew Who were Really Jews

Galatians 3:7 (KJV)
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Galatians 3:29 (KJV)
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God Has Not Forsaken Those Who Are Israelites By Natural Birth

Romans 11:24 (KJV)
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 11:26 (KJV)
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

"All Israel shall be saved"; this does not mean that every one in Israel will be saved, it means that all twelve tribes of Israel will be saved.

God Will Use Spiritual Jews to Save those Who Are Jews of the Flesh

Rev. 2:26 (KJV)
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

1 Cor. 6:2 (KJV)
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Daniel 7:18 (KJV)
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Daniel 7:22 (KJV)
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Jude 1:14 (KJV)
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Ten thousands: murias,moo-ree'-as; from Greek (murioi); a ten-thousand; by extension a "myriad" or indefinite number :- ten thousand.

Daniel 7:27 (KJV)
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

God Will Save Israel A Second Time From Slavery

Isaiah 11:11 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

God Will Then Covert those Who Are Jews and Israelites of the Flesh into True Descendants of Abraham

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The Laws of God will be placed in them because God will give them His Holy Spirit. God's nature will be in them, thereby giving them the ability to obey God. The very nature of God in us makes it possible for human beings to do the will of God. It is what will make the glorified children of God possessors of God's own divine nature, making them as God is. We were created to fully and completely be like God, rulers and creators over all things with God as our Father and older Brother.

Hosea 3:5 (KJV)
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.

Even the Gentile Nations Will Become the People of God

Psalm 86:9 (KJV)
All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.

Micah 4:1-4 (KJV)
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.

Micah 4:6-7 (KJV)
In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

God Will Open the Graves of the Children of Israel Who Died With Out Hope

Ezekiel 37:11-14 (KJV)
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

God Will Do the Same Even for the Gentile Nations

Rev. 20:5 (KJV)
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

As we can see from scripture a true Jew or a descendant of Abraham is not one born of natural birth, but one that is born of God. A true descendant of Abraham is one that is obedient to God's word in the same way Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was.[/CENTER]
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wvpeach
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 09:26 pm
@Brian764,
And low and behold the US kills many thousands and now hundreds of thousands in the name of Israel , and they don't even know that Israel is the church.

The true followers of Christ.

Its Ironic they would kill us if they could , but they would protect the anti christs in Israel.

Well maybe not the Lord Jesus warned the servant is not above the master, if they hated me they will hate you.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 10:04 pm
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;40980 wrote:
And low and behold the US kills many thousands and now hundreds of thousands in the name of Israel , and they don't even know that Israel is the church.

The true followers of Christ.

Its Ironic they would kill us if they could , but they would protect the anti christs in Israel.

Well maybe not the Lord Jesus warned the servant is not above the master, if they hated me they will hate you.


According to the Scriptures Israel is not the Church, Israel is Israel. And near the end of time God would return the Jews who polluted His name back to their land, and they would rebuild the cities, and retake Jerusalem. And Jerusalems East Gate would remain sealed as it is today. And the Jews would be surrounded by enemies.
wvpeach
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 11:00 pm
@Campbell34,
And Santa claus is real .

Campbell my brother , open your eyes and ears . Pray for truth from the Word. You are spewing the traditions of men as gospel.
[SIZE="3"]Learn the truth. [/SIZE]


Campbell34;40983 wrote:
According to the Scriptures Israel is not the Church, Israel is Israel. And near the end of time God would return the Jews who polluted His name back to their land, and they would rebuild the cities, and retake Jerusalem. And Jerusalems East Gate would remain sealed as it is today. And the Jews would be surrounded by enemies.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 01:42 am
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;41001 wrote:
And Santa claus is real .

Campbell my brother , open your eyes and ears . Pray for truth from the Word. You are spewing the traditions of men as gospel.
[SIZE="3"]Learn the truth. [/SIZE]


No WVPEACH, this is not the traditions of men, I'm reading the literal word of God. (Gogs invasion of Israel.)

Ezekiel 38:7 "Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a (LAND) that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL, which had long been desolated. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

Ezekiel 38:14to16 God will bring Gog against (HIS LAND) so the nations will know Him.

Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against (MY LAND), so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.

Ezekiel 38:18 This is what happens to Gog when it attacks Israel.

This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the (LAND OF ISRAEL,) my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in (THE LAND OF ISRAEL.) 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beast of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgement upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.

Ezekiel 39:2 God will destroy five sixths of Gogs army.

Ezekiel 39:11 God will give Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea:

Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I (am) the Lord their God from that day and forward.

Ezekiel 39:23 (And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:) because they trespassed againts me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I (am) the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto (THEIR OWN LAND,) and have left none of them any more there.

WVPeach, could you please explain to me how this is the church?
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Brian764
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 04:39 am
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;40980 wrote:
And low and behold the US kills many thousands and now hundreds of thousands in the name of Israel , and they don't even know that Israel is the church.

The true followers of Christ.

Its Ironic they would kill us if they could , but they would protect the anti christs in Israel.

Well maybe not the Lord Jesus warned the servant is not above the master, if they hated me they will hate you.



The world is blind to the truth of God, because Satan is the god of this world.
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Brian764
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 04:41 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;40983 wrote:
According to the Scriptures Israel is not the Church, Israel is Israel. And near the end of time God would return the Jews who polluted His name back to their land, and they would rebuild the cities, and retake Jerusalem. And Jerusalems East Gate would remain sealed as it is today. And the Jews would be surrounded by enemies.


There is a scripture that shows that Israel was a type of the Church of God.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 10:12 am
@Brian764,
Brian@764;41021 wrote:
There is a scripture that shows that Israel was a type of the Church of God.


Now that may be true Brian, yet to ignore what is happening in the land of Israel today, especially considering Gods detailed plans, (FOR THE LAND OF ISRAEL). Well it would require ignoring many chapters of prophecy, and reducing those chapters to almost giberish. The Jews may of forgot about God, but He did not forget about them. In Zechariah chapter 12 verse 8, God tells us that the day will come when He shall defend the (INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM.) And in verse 9, God tells us that He will seek to destroy all the nations that come against (JERUSALEM). And in verse 10, God tells us He will pour upon the house of David, and upon the (INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM) the spirit of grace and supplications: And then God tells us in the same verse.
And they shall look upon me whom they pierced, and they shall mourneth for Him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. And in verse 11 it states, in that day shall there be a great mourning in (JERUSALEM), as the mourning of Hadad-rim'mom in the valley of Megiddon. In verse 12 it tells us, that the land shall mourn every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; Then in verse 13 it continues. The family of Shimei apart, and and their wives apart; and in verse 14. All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

The description of the country, the city, and even the very names tell you, that this is a Jewish event. And then you have to ask yourself, if God has just saved them and Jerusalem from destruction, why are these people so upset? I can tell you. They are upset because the Jews of this time, for the first time in their history will now know, that it was Jesus Christ who saved them from destruction, and this was the same Jesus Christ that their ancestors nailed to a cross. And the Jews of this time will now understand that all previous generations have rejected the only gift of Salvation God ever offered them. It will be a terrible realization for the Jewish people.
wvpeach
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 10:35 am
@Campbell34,
When I have time I will come back and we will do a study on Israel . Its a interesting topic. I don't have time just now.
mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 01:23 pm
@wvpeach,
I think a study of the new Testament would serve us all much better. As God, has set the number at 144,000 for the true Jews. His, words not mine.
And Christ, requires any believer to be born again, and follow His, Way! yes it will help if anyone is nice to others. But that is at the Great White Thrown Judgment. To be part of His, thousand year reign one must be acceptable to Christ, by doing as He has stated. Or have I missed something?
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 02:59 pm
@Brian764,
I think a study of reality without religious bullshit would set people straight.

More people have died in the name of God than for ANY other reason.

How's THAT for a dose of reality?
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 11:31 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;41089 wrote:
I think a study of reality without religious bull**** would set people straight.

More people have died in the name of God than for ANY other reason.

How's THAT for a dose of reality?


I agree, and according to the Bible, there is going to be many more people who will die because of religion.
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Brian764
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 04:38 am
@mlurp,
mlurp;41078 wrote:
I think a study of the new Testament would serve us all much better. As God, has set the number at 144,000 for the true Jews. His, words not mine.
And Christ, requires any believer to be born again, and follow His, Way! yes it will help if anyone is nice to others. But that is at the Great White Thrown Judgment. To be part of His, thousand year reign one must be acceptable to Christ, by doing as He has stated. Or have I missed something?


Witout the Old Testament it can be difficult to understand some of the things mentioned in the New Testament.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 11:25 am
@Brian764,
Brian@764;41135 wrote:
Witout the Old Testament it can be difficult to understand some of the things mentioned in the New Testament.


That is very true Brian, if not even impossible. It really requires both the Old and New Testaments together to understand most of the prophecies of the Bible.
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Adam Bing
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 12:39 am
@Brian764,
Brian@764;40977 wrote:
I know that this post (this was written by me and not a copy and past from somewhere else) will offend some but then again the truth has been a source of offence since the first man and woman chose to follow Satan rather than God...so read on if you like.

It is important to keep in mind that the point that I am making is a spiritual one, and not biological or ethnic. This point should be clear to the reader before you finish the article.


[CENTER]Who Is A True Jew?
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God's Promise to Abram/Abraham

Genesis 12:1 (KJV)
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

God's Promise to Bless the Nations through Abram

Genesis 22:18 (KJV)
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

God Reaffirms His Promise in Isaac

Genesis 17:21 (KJV)
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Jacob Became A New Man

Genesis 32:28 (KJV)
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

God Reaffirms His Promise In Jacob whose Name Was Changed to Israel

Genesis 35:12 (KJV)
And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.

The Royal Descendants

Genesis 29:35 (KJV)
And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing.

Matthew 1:2-16 (KJV)
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

The Kingly Line

Genesis 49:10 (KJV)
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Shiloh: Shiyloh,shee-lo'; from Hebrew (shalah); tranquil; Shiloh, an epithet of the Messiah :- Shiloh.

Salvation came through the Jews

John 4:22 (KJV)
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

For you to be saved you have to become a spiritual Jew; even a natural born Jew must become a spiritual Jew in order to be saved. It also means that the Messiah came from the Jewish Nation, also you will see as you read God will use spiritual Jews to bring salvation to the entire world, so salvation will come through them as well.

Galatians 3:16 (KJV)
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Jesus' Family/A True Jew

Matthew 12:48-50 (KJV)
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Matthew 25:40 (KJV)
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Just to Explain Mathew 25 and Verse 40 I Will Divert a Little From the Topic

Jesus is not speaking to those who will be glorified at His second coming, they have by that time are ruling with Him in glory. It is they that are ruling with Him (who were glorified at His return) that He call's His brethren. He is saying to those He is about to receive into the kingdom/glorified, these here my brethren; what you did for them, (before they were glorified) you did it to me. In other words, Jesus will look favorably on sinners who were compassionate to Christians in their time of distress.

Luke 16:9 (KJV)
And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

Luke 16:9(New International Version)
I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.
During the Great Tribulation some of God's people will suffer persecution, and no doubt will be helped by some non-Christians, in the same way some of the Jews were helped by non-Jews during the Holocaust. However, this is not just limited to the Great Tribulation it's applicable to any period.

A True Descendant of Abraham

John 8:39 (KJV)
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Matthew 7:21 (KJV)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Romans 9:6-8 (KJV)
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The children of the promise are those who are Abraham's seed through faith. The true children of God are those who do God's will, just as Abraham did.

God Can Raise Up Children of Abraham From Stones

Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Luke 3:8 (KJV)
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

The Kingdom of God is given to those That Will Do What A True Jew Should Do

Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The Spiritual Jew

Romans 2:29 (KJV)
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

God Has Made Those Who Were Not Jews To Become Spiritual Jews

Acts 13:46 (KJV)
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Nation: ethnos,eth'-nos; probably from Greek (etho); a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan) :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

Romans 11:24 (KJV)
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The True Children of Abraham Will Sit Down In the Kingdom of God

Luke 13:28-29 (KJV)
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Descendants Of Abraham Will Be Kings

Genesis 17:6 (KJV)
And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

This verse is not just talking about the physical Nation of Israel; it is also, and more so, talking about those who are children of Abraham by faith. The true children of Abraham will sit down in the Kingdom of God.

But Galatians 3:28 Says There Are No Jews?

Galatians 3:28 (KJV)
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3: and verse 28 is not a contradiction of some of what Jesus said prier to when the above verse was said. The issue was is God a respecter of persons/Jews, simply because of who they are? It was hard for some Jews to accept the fact that God wanted all people to be saved, including the Gentiles.

God Will Show the World Who Are Truly the Children of Abraham

God will make people to come and worship before our feet

Rev. 3:9 (KJV)
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Those who say they are Jews, and are not; this is talking about false Christians or Jews (those who say they are God's people, but are not). When one considers themselves to be a Christian, it is the same as saying; "I am a true Jew". Remember the first Christians were Jews.

The Apostle Paul Knew Who were Really Jews

Galatians 3:7 (KJV)
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Galatians 3:29 (KJV)
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God Has Not Forsaken Those Who Are Israelites By Natural Birth

Romans 11:24 (KJV)
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 11:26 (KJV)
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

"All Israel shall be saved"; this does not mean that every one in Israel will be saved, it means that all twelve tribes of Israel will be saved.

God Will Use Spiritual Jews to Save those Who Are Jews of the Flesh

Rev. 2:26 (KJV)
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

1 Cor. 6:2 (KJV)
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Daniel 7:18 (KJV)
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Daniel 7:22 (KJV)
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Jude 1:14 (KJV)
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Ten thousands: murias,moo-ree'-as; from Greek (murioi); a ten-thousand; by extension a "myriad" or indefinite number :- ten thousand.

Daniel 7:27 (KJV)
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

God Will Save Israel A Second Time From Slavery

Isaiah 11:11 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

God Will Then Covert those Who Are Jews and Israelites of the Flesh into True Descendants of Abraham

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The Laws of God will be placed in them because God will give them His Holy Spirit. God's nature will be in them, thereby giving them the ability to obey God. The very nature of God in us makes it possible for human beings to do the will of God. It is what will make the glorified children of God possessors of God's own divine nature, making them as God is. We were created to fully and completely be like God, rulers and creators over all things with God as our Father and older Brother.

Hosea 3:5 (KJV)
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.

Even the Gentile Nations Will Become the People of God

Psalm 86:9 (KJV)
All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.

Micah 4:1-4 (KJV)
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.

Micah 4:6-7 (KJV)
In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

God Will Open the Graves of the Children of Israel Who Died With Out Hope

Ezekiel 37:11-14 (KJV)
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

God Will Do the Same Even for the Gentile Nations

Rev. 20:5 (KJV)
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

As we can see from scripture a true Jew or a descendant of Abraham is not one born of natural birth, but one that is born of God. A true descendant of Abraham is one that is obedient to God's word in the same way Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was.[/CENTER]


And all of this is accurate, true and you have facts on hand to verify the authenticity of this claim?

Along those lines, if god were to come to you as he did to Abraham abd ask you to sacrifice your son would you agree with god and proceed to terrorize your child by tying him down on a sacrifical altar? And if you would not do it, then please explain why you would choose to defy god.
Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 06:49 am
@Adam Bing,
Adam Bing;42554 wrote:
And all of this is accurate, true and you have facts on hand to verify the authenticity of this claim?


What claim are you reffering to, could you be more specific?

Adam Bing;42554 wrote:
Along those lines, if god were to come to you as he did to Abraham abd ask you to sacrifice your son would you agree with god and proceed to terrorize your child by tying him down on a sacrifical altar? And if you would not do it, then please explain why you would choose to defy god.
Adam Bing
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 07:10 am
@Brian764,
Lets start at the begining. Specifically, god made a promise to Abraham. You know that from the Bible. How do you know it is true?

Your fellow monotheist from the other side of the camp say that god spoke directly to Mohammed. That claim is about as unbelievable as the one about abraham speaking to god unless there is proof you or your fellow monotheists can demonstrate.

I am simply asking for the same rigor of proof that you and your fellow monotheists demand from the theory of evolution for example.

In fact, I'll be convinced if you can show me proof of abraham's conversations with god, that are no more than 10% as astute as the proof available on evolution.

I am not even asking any longer for the same yard stick to be applied. Lets just have some proof other than "its there in the Bible".
Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 07:24 am
@Adam Bing,
Adam Bing;42573 wrote:
Lets start at the begining. Specifically, god made a promise to Abraham. You know that from the Bible. How do you know it is true?.


The proof that you are looking for you will not find, because your mind is clouded in dought. Dought must be removed, before the truth can be seen; but only God can remove your dought.
Adam Bing
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 07:37 am
@Brian764,
Brian@764;42578 wrote:
The proof that you are looking for you will not find, because your mind is clouded in dought. Dought must be removed, before the truth can be seen; but only God can remove your dought.


Is that your best shot at objective proof? I doubt it.

Give it another try my friend and don't lose heart so easily. Else the only converts you'll find for christianity are morons and we can't have that can we?
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