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Are the wages of sin death or pleasure and reward?

 
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 09:47 am
Are the wages of sin death or pleasure and reward?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I find this quote quite odd.

I do not know why all sins are performed but I do know that humans do not generally do what does not reward them somehow.

If sin were to somehow harm us or not reward us then it is not likely that we would do them.

I know that the sins that I have done were done for some kind of benefit, reward or pleasure for me.

I have sinned and am not quite dead yet so the above quote may mean spiritual or moral death.
Yet in many discussions, I find myself, to my way of thinking, often times in a more moral position than many believers. Strange.

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This quote seems to say that we all sin and will all repent and all get to heaven thus eliminating that immoral construct called hell.

Please do not think that I wish to promote sinning. I do not. Except for small ones.
I do so, and think we have to, to make the above quote true and would suggest that, not if, but when you sin, make them small ones.

Regardless of this fact, I pose these questions to you.

Are the wages of sin death or pleasure and reward?
Should we and do we all sin?
Is sin a requirement to enter heaven as the quotes above suggests?
Is this why God creates man with a sin nature that cannot be fought?
Is hell an immoral construct and thus non existing?

Regards
DL
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 10:33 am
@Greatest I am cv,
'Sin' is, as I recollect, 'missing the mark', and it comes about because we are often ignorant of the nature of reality and of our alleged 'selves'. If we believe in the self and its vital importance, for instance, we will tend to do anything to please it: since it doesn't exist, this is foolish. If we believe in a 'Heaven' in which those who deny the imaginary self are rewarded, we set up a silly competition between 'good self' and 'bad self'. Illusion can give rise only to suffering, so 'sin', being based on illusion, is a quick way to that unhappy state. If we recognise (however we put it) that we are all one, equally illusory and equally valuable, we will be released from this particular bind. We will all make mistakes, because we live in illusion. Compassion and concentration will help us to escape.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 05:45 am
@kynaston,
kynaston;70808 wrote:
'Sin' is, as I recollect, 'missing the mark', and it comes about because we are often ignorant of the nature of reality and of our alleged 'selves'. If we believe in the self and its vital importance, for instance, we will tend to do anything to please it: since it doesn't exist, this is foolish. If we believe in a 'Heaven' in which those who deny the imaginary self are rewarded, we set up a silly competition between 'good self' and 'bad self'. Illusion can give rise only to suffering, so 'sin', being based on illusion, is a quick way to that unhappy state. If we recognise (however we put it) that we are all one, equally illusory and equally valuable, we will be released from this particular bind. We will all make mistakes, because we live in illusion. Compassion and concentration will help us to escape.


Eh. Ok.

Regards
DL
Rehmat
 
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Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 09:54 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So Jewish Talmud is right - Jesus died on the tree (Cross) because he was an imposter and died according to the punishment described in the OT.

Now, how could a person, who was racist against Gentile (NT) and insulting to his own mother Mary (NT) - could be the "Lord of Mercy"?
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thebigdog
 
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Reply Sat 27 Mar, 2010 07:40 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;70807 wrote:

Are the wages of sin death or pleasure and reward?
Should we and do we all sin?
Is sin a requirement to enter heaven as the quotes above suggests?
Is this why God creates man with a sin nature that cannot be fought?
Is hell an immoral construct and thus non existing?

Regards
DL


Death.
Should ? No. Do ? Yes.
No.
No.
No.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2010 08:42 am
@thebigdog,
thebigdog;70844 wrote:
Death.
Should ? No. Do ? Yes.
No.
No.
No.


Death is good. God gave it to us right?
Nature was not involved. Right?

Regards
DL
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