God wants us to sin and repent to earn heaven.

God wants us to sin and repent to earn heaven.

As a Gnostic Christian it is my duty to show how Christian scripture should be interpreted to show how God can be logically found and understood.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

New Jerusalem
9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is; rather is he being patient with you, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to repentance.

Follow the logic.

All that God creates is perfect.
God created evil. Sins are evil. Sins and evil are perfect as all of God’s works are.
All that is created was created by God and must be perfect.

It is God’s will that all repent. To repent, one must sin.

If God's will is not to be thwarted, all must and will sin.

If you believe scripture then why did God bring Satan/Talking snake to Eden and allow a supernatural being access to Eve. Not a fair confrontation at all. Right?

Further, if God creates all things then He creates our souls and natures. They are sinning natures.
If God did not want sin then all He would have to do is create us with non sinning natures.
Right?

He does not.

Why not?

Because He wants us to sin.
Sin’s value to God is to cause us to repent, so enjoy your sins and know that you will repent and be saved.

In this we have no free will. Hell is not an option since God’s will is that all be saved and His will cannot be thwarted.

Regards
DL

Yup. God wants men to know that they're not gods. So he allows us to sin to humble us so we'll seek redemption. It's that simple. So the question is; what are you going to do about your sin? Lie and claim you don't sin? Justify it so you commit more sin? or admit it and seek God's redemption? Those are your only options, friend. The first to lead to everlasting torment. The last one leads to everlasting bliss. If you pick one of the first 2, then hell is indeed fair and just because God gives us the option of choosing it over heaven.

Only a fool would believe that God would create a everlasting hell. You seem to be such a fool.

Debate the merits of hell so I can refute them or run away into your us and them attitude. make your God master of some after He began being master of all. Reduce His power all you want. make Him fail all you want. that just shows that you do not know God.

Regards
DL

Only the guilty think they can get away with anything they want without punishment. So sorry, but God isn't the fool you want him to be. So unfortunately, you'll find out who the real fool is when you die...it's the one who who's deceived into believing that he's more powerful than God is. :rollinglaugh: But since you're choosing hell over heaven, then your complaints about hell are as contradictory as your posts. Sorry.

Who said anything about no punishment.
Repenting is self punishment. That is the hardest punishment to bear.

You are reading what you want to into my words instead of my words and then pop up with your turn or burn B S.

Regards
DL

CARICO gets on my damned nerves.. he is so closed minded.. and he wonders why i fight against christianity like i do..."christians" and their "god" are no better than anyone else.. or any other religion..regardless of what their "bible" tells them.. and it's christians like carico that keep me from questioning my choice to walk away from the religion altogether.. KUDOS!!

All criminal defendants would like to punish themselves rather than have a court punish them. :rollinglaugh:

It's not hard for a guilty man to judge himself, because he'll always come out on the high end of the stick in his own eyes. But not even earthly justice systems are as foolish as you are. That's why they don't allow the criminal defendants to judge their own guilt. And neither does God.

So again, since you're choosing hell over heaven then your complaints about hell are as contradictory as your posts.:rolleyes:

Then I must have struck a nerve. It's called conviction.

Considering that I used to be an atheist then I have lived both with and without the Holy Spirit and thus can see both sides of the issues, unlike you who can only see one side. Now that's closed minded.

That's why atheists are as predictable as little children who think they're pulling the wool over the eyes of their parents. That's why all they can do is throw tantrums and swear.