Eve, if God were loving, would have been the mother of Jesus.

Well, god did put adam and eve in the garden knowing full-well that they were going to eat the fruit, and then punishes them for doing what he knew what they were going to do and was fully capable of preventing....why put the effing tree there in the first place?

Because without it we would not have moral sense.

Most do not recognize that Eve did us all a great service by eating of it.

God was pleased.

If you read the fall with an angry tone then you see God chastizing Adam and Eve. If you read it with a more Jesus like aptitude and tone you see God merely coveying information and sending us out to learn what He has given us.

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DL

so he punishes them for doing what he wanted them to do?

Is it a punishment to give moral sense to us and then allow us to use it?

Would you be happy with no moral sense?

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DL

Is it a punishment to give women birth pains?

Birth pain is natural in animals. What else needs to be said. We are animals.

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DL

You didn't answer the question. Is giving women birth pains a punishment. yes or no?

God did not give birth pain. It is natural for animals. Same as death.

Do you really think God micro manages every little pain known to man?

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DL

16 To the woman he said,

?I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be for [1] your husband,
and he shall rule over you.?


Gen 3:16

First, no one was around to hear what God told anyone.
Secondly, why punish Eve for doing God's work of giving man moral sense.
Thirdly, my wife walks beside me, not behind me.

All souls have equal value. Why would God place one above another here when the demographic shape of heaven only has two layers. God is 1, All the rest are 2.

Do you believe in the talking snake?

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DL

may i reply....

DUH!

i'm merely pointing out the inconsistencies in the bible.

There are many there.

Probably not bad for a first draft thought. Hope they hurry with a better version.

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DL

OK.

I too am a Son of God.

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DL

Greatest I am;

Meaning of 'Son of God' as told by Jesus

Jesus claimed Himself as the son of God. In fact any human incarnation is son of God. If the human incarnations are sons of God, what about the other human beings in the creation? They are daughters of God. What is the difference and similarity between son and daughter? The similarity is that both son and daughter are the issues of father and mother. Similarly the human incarnation and the human being have the same parents and similar birth. The difference between son and daughter is that the son is a male like the father and the daughter is a female like the mother. Here God is the divine father. The power of God which is in the form of creation (Prakruti) is the divine mother. Thus the human incarnation and the human being are created by the will of God and by the body given by the mother.

Therefore the human incarnation and the human being have the same human bodies with the same five elements. The will of the God is the sperm of the Father that entered the womb of the mother secretly. Gita says the same (Tasmin Garbham Dadhamyaham). It appears as if the mother has delivered the child because the union of the Father with mother is a secret. Similarly, it appears as if the children are produced from parents, who constitute the divine mother (Prakruti) only. Without the will of God, the child cannot be born and the will of God is secret.

Now the human being is a replica of the mother. This means that the human being consists of the structure of the mother only in toto. The structure of the Father is not seen in the daughter. The awareness (soul) is a part of the creation (Prakruti) only and is called as Paraprakruti (Prakrutim Viddhi Me Param - Gita). The external body and the subtle body (Gunas or Antahkaranams) constitute another part of creation called as Aparaprakruti). In fact the awareness itself is another Antaharanam called as Chittam that stores the knowledge. In the Aparapraruti, only three Antahkaranams are told in Gita. Therefore Chittam, the awareness storing the knowledge must be Paraprakruti. Therefore the human being is just a photograph or duplicate of the Prakruti or Mother.

If you analyze the son, the body of the son is also from the womb of the same mother but it contains an extra item that is the male structure of the Father. Similarly in the human incarnation, all the items of the human being (which are categorized as Para and Apara) exist with an additional item which is God (The Divine Father). The son is a human body like the daughter from the womb of the mother but has extra structure of the Father. Similarly the human incarnation is a human being and God joined together. This extra structure of God does not exist in all the human beings. This is the meaning of the ?son of God? as told by Jesus.

Similarly Krishna is the human incarnation having the contribution from both the mother and Father. He refers to the aspect of God (Ajopisan?.) and also to the aspect of Mother (Prakrutim svam?.). Thus human incarnation is two in one system. Generally, He acts like His sisters in respecting the mother by following all the rules of nature only. Only in a rare occasion, He behaves like the father and controls the mother for which the mother will not mistake.