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Very insightful. I think I see what you are asking. I will ponder this.

I'm not sure if the view of perfection is being placed on the right subject. The perfection of the father is different then the perfection of the children. I would say our ability to choose is the greatest perfection. That would be my immediate reaction,.. but I will have to give this further thought.

In conversation with good spirits, I said that in the Word many
things, even more than one can believe, are said according to appearances and according to the fallacies of the senses, as that Jehovah is in anger,
wrath, and fury against the wicked; that He takes pleasure in bringing
them to ruin and destruction, and even that He kills them.

But these things have been said in order that [man's] persuasions and cupidities might not be broken, but that they might be bent; for to speak otherwise than as man apprehends (that is, from appearances, fallacies, and
persuasions) would have been to sow seed in the waters, and to say that
which would be at once rejected.

Nevertheless such forms of speech are able to serve as general vessels in which spiritual and celestial things may be contained, for into them it may be insinuated that all things are from the Lord; then that the Lord permits, but that evil is wholly from diabolical spirits; afterwards that the Lord provides and
disposes that evils should be turned into goods; and at last that
nothing but good is from the Lord.

Thus the sense of the letter perishes as it ascends and becomes spiritual, then celestial, and at last Divine. Arcana Coelestia n.1874

I wonder about the perfection of a deity that, having foreknowledge of the outcome of his creation, still goes through with the creation. Could it be that deity is a sadistic offspring of an unwed mother and does this just so he will have something to torment for all eternity? Doesn't sound very perfect to me! :patriot:

You intrigue me, so you are predicating a god along the lines of Jove or Odin?:patriot:

It doesn't take much observation to realize that we live in imperfect system, and the church believed for centuries that things are getting better. But thanks to the 20 th century we all realized that things don't get better with all its suffering, wars, etc. We may have more toys but that's about it..

When it comes to imperfect and perfect, why God who is perfect would create imperfect system? We don't see the whole picture. If we looked at the painting very closely it would look very inartistic, but stepping couple steps back we can see the design and the intent of the author. (unless it's Modern Art of course ) God allowed this world to be imperfect that the perfection will be established once and for all. We being on this imperfect world we see imperfection and question God's intent, but the reality is that thru this imperfection we can know perfection, and we have a desire for perfection. And it will come when the Satan will be eliminated.

If God wanted Satan eliminated, He would have done so in the beginning.
His justice is swift.

Scipture says all of God,s works are perfect.

You seem to believe in scripture. Yet here you speak against them.
Are scripture to be believed?

Please explain your position.

Regards
DL

Yes i do believe in scriptures. When Jesus said I'm the beginning and the end (rev 21:6) he didn't mean that He was in Eden Garden and he was at the end of our civilization. Rather He had a different concept of time, the time of the completion of God's plan to redeem us. And that's God's perfection, that is thru the time on this earth, imperfect system to bring perfection.

The second part of James 1 is shedding some light "Let no one say when he is tempted, ?I am tempted by God?; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures."

God created everything from the end in our human understanding. Because for Him there is no concept of time. The beginning is the end, and the end is the beginning. The beginning and the end that we will be in Him and with Him and that was the role of Jesus Christ to bring us to him. Now when it come to the question of perfect and imperfect the more correct question would be to ask why God created Satan, Being perfect he created someone who potentially could be imperfect. Maybe because we would know what perfect is?
What do you think?

We are not in need of saving. None are ever lost.

I think we do need a savior because in another post you are questioning God existence based on how imperfect the system is