Imperfection is what makes us human. Other wise we would be God?

Define perfect according to his definition. The only one we are capable of using is ours. A fair comparison, not in my opinion.

I believe he is perfect by my definition. But just because something is perfect is no reason to think it would produce anything perfect as a standard. Humans are my example. I am not saying he is incapable of it, just saying why would he? We as human to accheive perfection detroy and ruin countless applications before we get there. What's Gods learning curve if there is such a thing?

Producing a perfect machine does not mean it was created to produce perfection.

For us to attain perfection we need to face adversity. Kind of like tempered steel.

What is wrong with the argument of free agency? As a parent, I created a perfect child at birth. But, that child had to grow up in this earthly world. I could show this child by example and by teaching the way to remain perfect, but as a parent I also realize that my child needs to attain perfection for himself. I cannot force perfection on the child unless I do not want him to grow and develop. I must give him his free agency to grow and develop and become tempered. He then can attain a state of perfection himself through the attonement of Christ.

Here's a thought. Maybe God had to attain perfection himself.

Greatest,

I guess I just am not following you. Coming to this earth was all part of an eternal plan. We were never promised that we would come down here for a perfect life.

We knew that coming to this earth was for two reasons: to gain a physical body and to "pass a test" so that we could progress on through eternity. If coming to this earth we were promised that we would all be perfect then what would the reason be for coming? We could have all stayed in the pre-existence and remained perfect spiritual beings. Where would the progression been in that?

Again relating back to raising kids: We could keep our child in our home and educate him throughout the years and never let him leave. With this environment he would probably be a smart kid and would never experience anything worldly. Now, we want that child to go out and become a leader of the world. Even though he is perfect, would he have the capacity to do this? Probably not. If we want to progress in eternity we need to face those experiences that will better equip us to do so.

God is the creator of both evil and good.

when this is all over we will not be as children, we will be worthy of spending time with our God.


One cannot know hunger , unless they have been hungry themselves.

One cannot understand illness , if they have never been sick.

One cannot know happiness, until they understand sadness and loss.

One cannot value love till they have seen its opposite hate.

One cannot know goodness, until evil is understood.

When this is all over, all creation will understand that without God we are all lost and evil will take hold.

I know in a world so full of evil, death and sadness it seems like a lesson hard to learn.

But I have faith ,when its all over; we will as the bible says praise the way God has numbered, and ordered our world.

And the good news is evil will not be a problem then, when God takes control of this world again.

God will show us real perfection, love and beauty then.

God's not going to fix a defective enviorment. Man has messed up the planet.

God says we will have a new earth. This old earth is toast one day.

I agree that God does have an agenda and losing even one of us isn't in his plan. But, as a loving God he will not force or bend us to his will. He realizes that those who follow willingly will be much stronger beings.

Again, if you have a family and force everyone to attend Church and to read the scriptures you will likely have one personality that will rebel against doing so and that will fall away. Isn't this what happened in the pre-exisistance? Lucifer was a strong willed personality that rebelled when he didn't get his way. If one who lived with God could fall away then why do you not think that we who live in this world with a veil drawn across our memory would be perfect and not fall away when faced with strong temptations?