Another: What Would Jesus Do?

Acourding to pinochet.....Pretty much the same thing as our fanatical islam enemies! What would Jesus really do? Forgive? Turn the other cheeck? Be a light in the darkness? Lead? Better yet what did Jesus do? Name one example, from the BIble, Where Jesus(the living human) Killed, cursed, burned, hit, beheaded, shot, hung, or in essence, did anything violent other than toss over a table. In this you will find the answer to the way i feel about the Roman Catholic Church. Who condemn, tear down, hide, and dictate the christian faith. The church who have members who say you can believe what you want, yet call you a blasfemer for believing it. Do you think this was Jesus' true intent? For his so called "chosen church", the church that should continue his church, to threaton, install fear, judge, and dictate his beliefs?

"Name one example, from the BIble...."

"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! No, I came to bring a sword." Matthew 10:34

did he not destroy that bulding too?

So what we have anarchy and different beliefs everywhere rather than the most valid one, hoping ours is the way to heaven? Why shouldn't the Church call you a blasphemer if you are by their standards?

the tongue is sharper than the sword!!!! ring a bell. i doubt he litteraly meant that he came to kill anyone who didn't recieve him as the lord. Further in the chapter he also says...verse38:"and anyone who does not take his cross and fallow me is not worthy of me" now why would Jesus refer to something that none of his desciples knew of yet? The cross didn't become a symbol untill after the crussifiction. It was a symbol to remember the sacrifice that christ made in order for our sins to be forgiven. Why would he refer to it long before he ever mentioned he was to give his life for us? Furthermore, verse 16: "behold, i send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves, be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." in that whole conversation he is warning his desciples about what they will endore, what he commands, and what to watch out for. saying that if they are not carefull they will be brought in front of governors and kings and that people will give each other up for death and hate them and when that happens to flee and move to the next town and do the same untill he "becomes". so in this context, he is basicaly saying that people are going to turn against anyone who believes in him. never once does it lead anyone to believe that he came to install violence. You are taking the verse out of context of the scripture. It seems to me he is more or less trying to sort out the good from the bad. But then again if you read this out of the king james version it is translated poorly in my opinion, then the study bible is a translation of that. how many diffrent translations are there and wich one is the right one?

Hold your blather, TBP. I merely answered your question. You demanded that somebody "name one example from the Bible", and I did. Sorta blew the bottom out of your bombastic argument, didn't it?

So??? Jesus said quite a bit more than that about the Kingdom of Heaven going to his followers, not just anyone. Any religion will tell you you aren't going to go to their paradise if you aren't one of them with very few exceptions. Any religious book can have quotes taken out of it that only vaguely supported the person's point of view (the person using the quote) and maybe not really at all. The devil could quote the Bible for his own purposes.

Who says the Church doesn't forgive? The Church forgives well enough, but it's kind of idiotic to say you aren't going to go to Hell for what you've done. The Church would have no point to it you see, everyone could be whatever religion they wanted, be forgiven, and get to Heaven. I would not be Catholic if this were true. Even with forgiveness, you still must face the consequences unless you properly repent. Also, the Church hardly routinely condemns people to hell. There is simply a belief that certain people are most likely going to Hell if they don't repent.

If you sin without repentance you are not 'God's people', if you are not Christian or Jewish, you are not 'God's people.' We are not condemning them to hell as we wish, we simply have a doctrine that says 'you are going to Hell if... and you don't repent or if... or... or whatever,' because that's what's also in the Bible. It simply repeats God's message.

If you are going to repent on your deathbed because you're afraid of Hell, you'll at least have a very long stay in purgatory. If you want to repent, you can do it right there and then. If that person did not repent their sins by the time that person shot them, they died without wanting to repent.

But we (PEOPLE) are able to change the rules to what gets us into heaven, Even you christians.