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Sharia Law in England, does it exist?

 
 
Red cv
 
Reply Sun 13 Jan, 2008 07:09 pm
Yes it does, Scooby has repeatedly denied that Sharia Law exists in England here is just one example.

Snippet: Another problem, he believes, is that, in the name of multiculturalism, the Labour Government has allowed a dual system of law to exist.

"Sharia law now exists in almost all Islamic communities in the UK," he says. "Not at a penal level, but at a family level. It rules among the Muslim community in marriage and divorce, often at the expense of the vulnerable. To solve this, the Government must say no to Sharia law being practised. There should be no separate legal system in this country."

His concern over the results of multiculturalism is not shared by the Bishop of Bradford, the Rt Rev David James. He has worked hard to engender integration among the faiths in the city.

After the al-Qaeda bombing in Madrid, when Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, suggested that it was a matter of when the terrorist organisation would bomb London, not if, he - along with cross-community leaders - held a series of meetings about how they should react should that happen.

Their aim was to ensure that there was not a repeat of the 2001 race riots if al-Qaeda bombed Britain. It is to their credit that, after the 7/7 London bomb, Bradford remained peaceful.

He remains adamant that no-go areas do not exist in Bradford. "I have no experience or any knowledge of no-go areas here," he says. "I don't know where the Bishop of Rochester was talking about. No one does."

There has, however, been one positive outcome of the continuing debate about the extent of the Islamic community in Bradford, he believes.

"It has put faith on the map. Awoken Christians to be better Christians and to have public faith. Here we openly celebrate Christmas, not some bewildering Winterfest."

Link: 'I feel like an alien in my home town' - Telegraph

A google search on Sharia Law in England turned up over ten pages but for some reason this forum won't clear my copy link from the above link. No worries Scooby tomorrow I'll post a link to google so you can see how "Progressive" not your country isn't. Forcing women to live under seventh century laws is absolutely appalling. That's England. Appallingly Socialist.

Islam and equality are not compatable, Muslim women have few if any legal rights under Sharia Law. Canada almost allowed Sharia Law but Muslim Women stood up and spoke out against it's subjugation and barbarity. England likes to watch women wallow in subjugation and barbarity. Honour crimes are flourishing but England and it's people feel "Race Relations" are more important than the lives of women. England isn't progressive it's oppressive to women who are forced to live as a Muslim. Has this country no shame?

Welcome to England an arm of Eurabia, where women are disposable garbage. A religion of Peace, I think not.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:44 am
@Red cv,
Red;50773 wrote:


Islam and equality are not compatable, Muslim women have few if any legal rights under Sharia Law. Canada almost allowed Sharia Law but Muslim Women stood up and spoke out against it's subjugation and barbarity. England likes to watch women wallow in subjugation and barbarity. Honour crimes are flourishing but England and it's people feel "Race Relations" are more important than the lives of women. England isn't progressive it's oppressive to women who are forced to live as a Muslim. Has this country no shame?

Welcome to England an arm of Eurabia, where women are disposable garbage. A religion of Peace, I think not.


Where the **** do you get your horse **** from?

How many English people do you know and interact with on a daily basis?

How many English Muslims do you Know and interact with on a daily basis?

How many times have you been to England and witnessed any of things you have spoken of.

Damn man!! I don't doubt for a second that Sharia law is in the Muslin community, but to label the English as you have just done is a sad indiciment of a narrow mind enclosed up your arse who reads to many biased internet stories instead of getting out and experiencing the world a bit.

Geez, I will say this again and again. The world is a changing and it's population is on the move, we are going to get this type of thing happening, however deplorable we think it is. Do we accept it?..of course not, should it be irradicated from society? certainly, is it going to be easy? not a chance.

Could you show me where 'England likes to watch women wallow in subjugation and barbarity'. And which English purpotrate this

But your post is a dig at my country and it's multiculturism, many of my country would agree with you, but I am proud of the fact so many people see us a safe haven in a world where there appears to an increasing intollerance to other peoples beliefs and cultures.

I work as a Manager with 100+ people working for me, Polish, Russian, Hungarian, Iraqi, Kurdish, Iranian, Brazilian, Portugese, Bulgarian, Estonian,..hey even some English. Muslim, Christian, Sikh The vast majority want to work keep there head down and make a better life for themselves.

Times are a changing, get with the program. Accept Sharia Law? not a chance, accept people for who they are and judge them on an idividual basis. now thats progress. Not finger pointing and accusing all members of a community of being as bad as the worst members.

Regards

English and Fookin Proud of it
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Red cv
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 12:48 pm
@Red cv,
Relax while a so called "Democratic" country allows seven century Sharia Law to be practiced, dah I don't think so. Sharia Law has been practicing for 25 years in England, and now they want that role expanded into penal law. Oh goody now if you murder someone you only have to fork out a couple of thousands dollars (or what the family deems the dead to be worth) and viola you get out of jail card for free.

Here's another article on Sharia Law in England

Linky poo: 'We want to offer sharia law to Britain' - Telegraph

Snippet: Dr Hasan, who has been presiding over sharia courts in Britain for more than 25 years, argues that British law would benefit from integrating aspects of Islamic personal law into the civil system, so that divorces could be rubber-stamped in the same way, for example, that Jewish couples who go to the Beth Din court have their divorce recognised in secular courts.

He points out that the Islamic Sharia Council, of which he is the general secretary, is flooded with work. It hears about 50 divorce cases every month, and responds to as many as 10 requests every day by email and phone for a fatwa - a religious verdict on a religious matter.

Dr Hasan, who is also a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain on issues of sharia law, says there is great misunderstanding of the issue in the West.

"Whenever people associate the word 'sharia' with Muslims, they think it is flogging and stoning to death and cutting off the hand," he says with a smile.

He makes the distinction between the aspects of law that sharia covers: worship, penal law, and personal law. Muslim leaders in Britain are interested only in integrating personal law, he says.




Continued
Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 12:58 pm
@Red cv,
Red;50994 wrote:
Relax while a so called "Democratic" country allows seven century Sharia Law to be practiced, dah I don't think so. Sharia Law has been practicing for 25 years in England, and now they want that role expanded into penal law. Oh goody now if you murder someone you only have to fork out a couple of thousands dollars (or what the family deems the dead to be worth) and viola you get out of jail card for free.

Here's another article on Sharia Law in England

Linky poo: 'We want to offer sharia law to Britain' - Telegraph

Snippet: Dr Hasan, who has been presiding over sharia courts in Britain for more than 25 years, argues that British law would benefit from integrating aspects of Islamic personal law into the civil system, so that divorces could be rubber-stamped in the same way, for example, that Jewish couples who go to the Beth Din court have their divorce recognised in secular courts.

He points out that the Islamic Sharia Council, of which he is the general secretary, is flooded with work. It hears about 50 divorce cases every month, and responds to as many as 10 requests every day by email and phone for a fatwa - a religious verdict on a religious matter.

Dr Hasan, who is also a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain on issues of sharia law, says there is great misunderstanding of the issue in the West.

"Whenever people associate the word 'sharia' with Muslims, they think it is flogging and stoning to death and cutting off the hand," he says with a smile.

He makes the distinction between the aspects of law that sharia covers: worship, penal law, and personal law. Muslim leaders in Britain are interested only in integrating personal law, he says.




Continued


Prehaps you should have read the entire artical insted of the first few 'shocking' paragraphs.

Quote:
The judgments of the courts have no basis in British law, and are therefore technically illegitimate - they are binding only in that those involved agree to comply. For British Muslims who are keen to follow Islam, this poses a dilemma. An Islamic marriage is not recognised by British law, and therefore many couples will have two ceremonies - civil for the state, and Islamic for their faith.


Do you honestly think that the law courts in this country are going to allow honour beatings? Our judicial system and government are obsessed with equality for women (and rightly so). You really ought to broaden your reading material past The Telegraph, it's a very high brow piece of journalism and doesn't relfect the ordinary man on the street.

Why are you so interested in English multiculturism anyways, Jealous per-chance?
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Red cv
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 07:33 pm
@Red cv,
Well yes as a matter of fact I do believe the spineless Socialist in England called a Goberment will lead to stonings and pitching gays off cliffs thanks for asking thou.

Your country has gone so far left it's sickening, why am I interested well in times of Lore we sent our troops to die on your soil to liberate your sorry asses because your Monarch thought crawling into bed with Hitler (not literally) would keep England safe. Alas you got your asses kicked big time and Canada and the US had to save your bacon. We aren't going to aide you as an ally again. You saw Radical/Political Islam coming and your countrymen laid down and did nothing. As for my interest a Britain kinda funny question for a Brit to ask when they are posting on an American forum? Asking a Canadian what her interest is in England is kinda funny, Dah we still swear allegance to your Queen. Hopefully that shall end soon though, we have nothing in Common with England.
We'll fight for our culture like the Scots and the Irish did against England, you surrendered to Islam without a murmur of protest. Allah Akbar will be Britainastans new motto, get a prayer mat Numpty you are going to need it even when in Hospital.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 07:36 pm
@Red cv,
Quote:
we have nothing in Common with England.


With the exception of the unneccessary capitalization of every other noun you can get your hands on.
Numpty
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 03:48 am
@Red cv,
Red;51147 wrote:
Well yes as a matter of fact I do believe the spineless Socialist in England called a Goberment will lead to stonings and pitching gays off cliffs thanks for asking thou.

Your country has gone so far left it's sickening, why am I interested well in times of Lore we sent our troops to die on your soil to liberate your sorry asses because your Monarch thought crawling into bed with Hitler (not literally) would keep England safe. Alas you got your asses kicked big time and Canada and the US had to save your bacon. We aren't going to aide you as an ally again. You saw Radical/Political Islam coming and your countrymen laid down and did nothing. As for my interest a Britain kinda funny question for a Brit to ask when they are posting on an American forum? Asking a Canadian what her interest is in England is kinda funny, Dah we still swear allegance to your Queen. Hopefully that shall end soon though, we have nothing in Common with England.
We'll fight for our culture like the Scots and the Irish did against England, you surrendered to Islam without a murmur of protest. Allah Akbar will be Britainastans new motto, get a prayer mat Numpty you are going to need it even when in Hospital.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,......Cana,....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,....Canada coming to our Aid!!! Man you know cock all about a very little don't you?

When do you suppose Canada Declared war on Hitler? ok let me Enlighten you.

Quote:
Canada's involvement in the Second World War began when Canada declared war on Germany on September 10, 1939, one week after Britain. Canadian forces were involved in the failed defence of Hong Kong, the Dieppe Raid in August 1942, the Allied invasion of Italy, and the Battle of Normandy. Of a population of approximately 11.5 million, 1.1 million Canadians served in the armed forces in the Second World War. Many thousands more served in the merchant marine. In all, more than 45,000 gave their lives, and another 55,000 were wounded. Countless others shared the suffering and hardship of war. By the end of the war, Canada had, temporarily at least, become a significant military power. However, the Big Three paid little attention to Canada.


Oh and BTW it was all of Europe that needed Liberating, we were still an unoccupied Country, and no Canadians died on British soil fighting Hitler, That place would be MAINLAND Europe look at a map you can easily distinguish Britain from Europe, we are the funny shaped Island just off the French coast. Nope not the Isle of White,....look a little higher,....there it is!!

As far as I can see you were in it from the start, therefore the Americans came and saved your sorry asses aswell!! Next time get some facts straight and put your brain in gear before your fingers do their typing.

Quote:
We'll fight for our culture like the Scots and the Irish did against England

Well that didn't do them much good, tis why it is called GREAT BRITAIN and the Scots and Northern Irish are part of it. Study you history some more

You really do have chip on your shoulder,..so much hate, so much anger. Where does it come from?

Are you a French Canadian, it would explain alot if you were. Very Happy

No doubt we have a very high in flux of imigrants at the moment, the high majority are of East European dissent and predominantly Christian. Also it is true We have a large Asian population the marority of which are 2nd 3rd and 4th generation descendants of people who have made a life for themselves here. Granted there are Extremists trying to further their agendas but those sorts are everywhere in the world at the moment and of all different religions,I point you in the direction of the Evangelical nutters in the US who are striving to control US policy making and have a potentially massive influence on what is being taught in schools.

A Truely frightening prospect, these guys take the bible literally and I am sure you know your bible, read the old testement for the treatment of women there. Hey and you just got citizenship,..lucky you!!

Unfortunately Red you appear to have a very narrow mind and a particuarly one dimensional view of the planet and people who live on it. i try to adopt a more open minded approach to individual situations instead of adopting a blanket response to all foreign situations.

Enjoy your new life in the single most religously fundamentalist country in the western world. I hope you prosper under the potential evangelical government and are not treated as a second class citizen you will undoubtably become if the fundies get their way.

Enjoy

Numpty.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 03:56 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;51149 wrote:
With the exception of the unneccessary capitalization of every other noun you can get your hands on.


Capitalisation, use the Queens English properly please. Very Happy
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 01:32 pm
@Red cv,
Red;50773 wrote:
Yes it does, Scooby has repeatedly denied that Sharia Law exists in England here is just one example.

Snippet: Another problem, he believes, is that, in the name of multiculturalism, the Labour Government has allowed a dual system of law to exist.

"Sharia law now exists in almost all Islamic communities in the UK," he says. "Not at a penal level, but at a family level. It rules among the Muslim community in marriage and divorce, often at the expense of the vulnerable. To solve this, the Government must say no to Sharia law being practised. There should be no separate legal system in this country."

His concern over the results of multiculturalism is not shared by the Bishop of Bradford, the Rt Rev David James. He has worked hard to engender integration among the faiths in the city.

After the al-Qaeda bombing in Madrid, when Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, suggested that it was a matter of when the terrorist organisation would bomb London, not if, he - along with cross-community leaders - held a series of meetings about how they should react should that happen.

Their aim was to ensure that there was not a repeat of the 2001 race riots if al-Qaeda bombed Britain. It is to their credit that, after the 7/7 London bomb, Bradford remained peaceful.

He remains adamant that no-go areas do not exist in Bradford. "I have no experience or any knowledge of no-go areas here," he says. "I don't know where the Bishop of Rochester was talking about. No one does."

There has, however, been one positive outcome of the continuing debate about the extent of the Islamic community in Bradford, he believes.

"It has put faith on the map. Awoken Christians to be better Christians and to have public faith. Here we openly celebrate Christmas, not some bewildering Winterfest."

Link: 'I feel like an alien in my home town' - Telegraph

A google search on Sharia Law in England turned up over ten pages but for some reason this forum won't clear my copy link from the above link. No worries Scooby tomorrow I'll post a link to google so you can see how "Progressive" not your country isn't. Forcing women to live under seventh century laws is absolutely appalling. That's England. Appallingly Socialist.

Islam and equality are not compatable, Muslim women have few if any legal rights under Sharia Law. Canada almost allowed Sharia Law but Muslim Women stood up and spoke out against it's subjugation and barbarity. England likes to watch women wallow in subjugation and barbarity. Honour crimes are flourishing but England and it's people feel "Race Relations" are more important than the lives of women. England isn't progressive it's oppressive to women who are forced to live as a Muslim. Has this country no shame?

Welcome to England an arm of Eurabia, where women are disposable garbage. A religion of Peace, I think not.


So are you still trying to say that sharia law is legal in the UK Very Happy

Keep it coming red lol
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 03:13 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
Red, Your statement doesn't hold any ground against someone who actually lives in england.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 03:27 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;51199 wrote:
Capitalisation, use the Queens English properly please. Very Happy


I'm an American citizen and I use English according to wikipedia:

Capitalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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sarn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 08:02 am
@Red cv,
Red;51147 wrote:
Well yes as a matter of fact I do believe the spineless Socialist in England called a Goberment will lead to stonings and pitching gays off cliffs thanks for asking thou.

Your country has gone so far left it's sickening, why am I interested well in times of Lore we sent our troops to die on your soil to liberate your sorry asses because your Monarch thought crawling into bed with Hitler (not literally) would keep England safe. Alas you got your asses kicked big time and Canada and the US had to save your bacon. We aren't going to aide you as an ally again. You saw Radical/Political Islam coming and your countrymen laid down and did nothing. As for my interest a Britain kinda funny question for a Brit to ask when they are posting on an American forum? Asking a Canadian what her interest is in England is kinda funny, Dah we still swear allegance to your Queen. Hopefully that shall end soon though, we have nothing in Common with England.
We'll fight for our culture like the Scots and the Irish did against England, you surrendered to Islam without a murmur of protest. Allah Akbar will be Britainastans new motto, get a prayer mat Numpty you are going to need it even when in Hospital.



You display a very poor understanding of history.
America came into WWII in order to prevent a Soviet takeover of western europe which would undoubtedly hyave occured otherwise. It was not the US but Russia who defeated Hitler.


The Uk will never accept islamic law. This is a secular country, and all are under the same set of civil laws. I think you are probably very ill-informed about life in this country as the previous poster suggests.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:49 am
@sarn,
sarn;51290 wrote:
You display a very poor understanding of history.
America came into WWII in order to prevent a Soviet takeover of western europe which would undoubtedly hyave occured otherwise. It was not the US but Russia who defeated Hitler.


The Uk will never accept islamic law. This is a secular country, and all are under the same set of civil laws. I think you are probably very ill-informed about life in this country as the previous poster suggests.


Red is not long back after being away for a while,she is still spouting the same rubbish,she comes away with classics such as "Britainistan" and "Eurabia" :wtf:

Keep them coming Red Very Happy
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2008 10:33 am
@Red cv,
Europe will be conquered by Sharia Law, and then the Good Old US will come to its rescue..............again..................for the THIRD time. You frig'n losers.:FU1::FU1::FU1::FU1:
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2008 11:00 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;51715 wrote:
Europe will be conquered by Sharia Law, and then the Good Old US will come to its rescue..............again..................for the THIRD time. You frig'n losers.:FU1::FU1::FU1::FU1:


Pino you talk some amount of crap,its not goona happen !
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2008 11:13 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;51715 wrote:
Europe will be conquered by Sharia Law, and then the Good Old US will come to its rescue..............again..................for the THIRD time. You frig'n losers.:FU1::FU1::FU1::FU1:


YAWN,......YAWN,......YAWN!!!

Again,...you show ur lack of understanding. Didn't you know Churchill used stolen U-boats to bomb american civillian ships to get you in the war so you could play for the wining team. :beat:
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2008 03:36 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;51715 wrote:
Europe will be conquered by Sharia Law, and then the Good Old US will come to its rescue..............again..................for the THIRD time. You frig'n losers.:FU1::FU1::FU1::FU1:


the US didn't even enter WWI untill it was almost over anyways.
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