Do you know which God you 'Really' Worship

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To all the "Christians" in the audience. Do you know which 'God' you really worship? This about this - Jesus and Tammuz are so alike

Old Babylonian Religion
Father God ( Nimrod / Baal / Bel )
+ Female (Queen Semiramus / Ishtar)
+ Virgin born Son = Tammuz / Horus

Jesus was the child of the Virgin Mary
Horus was the child of the virgin Isis

The births of both Jesus and Horus were marked by a star

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the House of Bread
Horus was born in Anu, the Place of Bread

Jesus was the light of the world
Horus was the light of the world

Both had halos in their depictions

Jesus said he was the Way, The Truth and the Life
Horus said he was the Truth and the Life

Jesus and Horus were both child teachers in the temple

Jesus was the Good Shepherd
Horus was the Good Shepherd

Jesus was the Lamb
Horus was the Lamb

Seven fishers board a boat with Jesus
Seven people board a boat with Horus

Jesus and Horus were both identified with a Cross

Jesus and Horus were baptized at 30

Jesus had 12 Disciples
Horus had 12 followers

Any chance they are connected?

Now think about Mithra ? worshipped by the Romans was born on December 25.
Jesus is symbolic of the Sun ? the light of the world

Hmmm Jesus the Son (Sun) get born on Dec 25 ? near the winter solstice

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@z0z0,

A god by any other name, is still a god.

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@z0z0,

So you acknowledge that you might be really worshipping Tammuz / Horus?

Is Rome still carrying on the Babylonian traditions?

Why the charade?

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@z0z0,

No.
Not in my opinion.
No charade
Why does this concern you being of devinity or lack of any?

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@z0z0,

Drnaline - please reference - http://www.conflictingviews.com/t853

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@z0z0,

z0z0;9284 wrote:

So you acknowledge that you might be really worshipping Tammuz / Horus?

Is Rome still carrying on the Babylonian traditions?

Why the charade?

I know I am not worshipping Tammuz/Horus. That's ridiculous. My God has no name and I don't intend to give Him one. He is the one in the bible. If Tammuz is the one in the bible, then perhaps. I highly doubt it.

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@z0z0,

Which Bible do you believe in?
God does have a name - if you are Christian.

What I am saying is that the Christian "God" is based on the foundation of previous God Myths. The Christian God is a plagarism of the older religions. If Christianity is not "original" then what is it and what do Christians believe in?

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@z0z0,

The Old and New testement. And if you are going to say he is Alfa and Omega, that isn't a name, it's a phrase.

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@z0z0,

Christianity

Yahweh or Jehovah are common vocalizations of God's personal name based on the Hebrew tetragrammaton (above). Most modern Christian Bibles have removed this name in nearly all of the 7000 places it appears in the Hebrew Scriptures, usually replacing it with 'LORD' or a similar alternative. The name does appear at four places in the King James Bible (e.g. Exodus 6:3), but is only used with prominence by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Nearly all Christian traditions recognize the name in some form, even if it has largely fallen out of use.

Much of Christendom believes in the Holy Trinity, i.e. a single God in three Persons, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus (Iesus, Yeshua, Joshua, or Yehosh?a) is a Hebraic personal name meaning "Jehovah saves/helps/is salvation", [1].

Christ means "the anointed" in Greek, translating Messiah; while in English the old Anglo-Saxon Messiah-rendering h?land 'healer' was practically annihilated by the Latin Christ, some cognates such as heiland in Dutch survive.

In the effort to translate the Bible into every language (see SIL), the Christian God has usually been named after a pagan or philosophical concept that was present in the language before Christianity.

The word God itself is an example of this, the word having earlier referred to Germanic pagan deities. Greek Theos (Θεός, with the initial letter invariably capitalised - pagan or "false" gods were written as theos/θεός, theoi/θεοί with lowercase letters used throughout)) was used for the supreme God even before Christianity, in the Septuagint. St. Jerome translated the Hebrew word Elohim to Latin as Deus. Other names of the Christian God that have a history of pagan meanings include Slavic Bog, Finnish Jumala, Japanese Kami. In the Arabic language, Allah is also used for the Christian God, although it is often mistakenly thought to have pagan origins or refer solely to the Islamic God. The Romanian form Dumnezeu derives from Latin dominus (lord) and deus (god), thus meaning God Lord.

During the initial stages of his predication in Japan, the Catholic missionary Francis Xavier was welcome by the Shingon monks since he used the word Dainichi for the Christian God. As Xavier learnt more about the religious nuances of the word, he changed to Deusu from the Latin and Portuguese Deus. The monks also realized that Xavier was preaching a rival religion.

The less evangelical branch of the Quakers often refers to God as The Light.

Another term used is 'King of Kings' or 'Lord of Lords' and Lord of the Hosts.

Other names used by Christians include the Hebrew names Elohim, El-Shaddai, and Adonai.

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@z0z0,

Jesus does have a name. God does not. People may call him many names but they mean all the same thing, GOD. They are names they give him.

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@z0z0,

If the "old" Bibles had a name for God and the new Bibles had the 7,000 references to God's name removed then God surely has a name. If Christianity is based on Judaism then is it just that Christians do not like the Judaic name(s) for God? Why would people want to remove the name of God from the Bible? To add mystery?

I thought you spoke the name of God (or one variant of it) each time you blessed yourself with the sign of cross - saying "In the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen"

The Holy Trinity is "God the Father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit"
If we are monotheists then why are there three Gods in the Godhood?

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@z0z0,

If you think there is three gods, then you don't understand the holy trinity.

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@z0z0,

I fully understand the "Godhood". Did I not state:

[INDENT]The Holy Trinity is "God the Father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit"
If we are monotheists then why are there three Gods in the Godhood?[/INDENT]

I find it weird that God the Father and God the Son - which are clearly two separate entities are one and the same. Does not Jesus pray to his Father when he is on the Cross?

As for the Holy Spirit? Does Jesus not "give" the Holy Spirit to his Disciples? I guess that you can give a part of yourself.

Lastly - How about Mary - "The Mother of God". She has "Near Deity" status amongst some Christians. Why is that? If Christianity is monotheistic then why is Mary worshipped so highly?

Drnaline - IF you have an answer please give some sort of explanation - or something that I can learn from. I have taken a few minutes here to actually formulate a thought and communicate a concept. You on the other hand throw out a one liner that has little value. If you had any respect for the conversation then you could have explained the "Holy Trinity". All you said was "If you think there is three gods, then you don't understand the holy trinity." I guess a Hydrogen atom is made of two parts but is one atom. Same with God? (And then you wonder why I have little time or patience for you.)

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@z0z0,

Trinity:

Father, son, holy spirit.

Basically:

God, Jesus, and the holy spirit.

How anyone get three gods from this?!

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@z0z0,

Mary was the mother of Jesus, the son, not God.

Jesus and God are the same in spirit, but Jesus was God's son, not God himself.

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@z0z0,

z0z0;9384 wrote:

I fully understand the "Godhood". Did I not state:

[INDENT]The Holy Trinity is "God the Father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit"
If we are monotheists then why are there three Gods in the Godhood?[/INDENT]

I find it weird that God the Father and God the Son - which are clearly two separate entities are one and the same. Does not Jesus pray to his Father when he is on the Cross?

As for the Holy Spirit? Does Jesus not "give" the Holy Spirit to his Disciples? I guess that you can give a part of yourself.

Lastly - How about Mary - "The Mother of God". She has "Near Deity" status amongst some Christians. Why is that? If Christianity is monotheistic then why is Mary worshipped so highly?

Drnaline - IF you have an answer please give some sort of explanation - or something that I can learn from. I have taken a few minutes here to actually formulate a thought and communicate a concept. You on the other hand throw out a one liner that has little value. If you had any respect for the conversation then you could have explained the "Holy Trinity". All you said was "If you think there is three gods, then you don't understand the holy trinity." I guess a Hydrogen atom is made of two parts but is one atom. Same with God? (And then you wonder why I have little time or patience for you.)

In the bible i have there are no plus signs in between any of the gods you think there are. It's religion not math. "which are clearly two separate entities are one and the same. " I new you didn't understand.

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Drnaline - IF you have an answer please give some sort of explanation - or something that I can learn from. I have taken a few minutes here to actually formulate a thought and communicate a concept. You on the other hand throw out a one liner that has little value. If you had any respect for the conversation then you could have explained the "Holy Trinity". All you said was "If you think there is three gods, then you don't understand the holy trinity." I guess a Hydrogen atom is made of two parts but is one atom. Same with God? (And then you wonder why I have little time or patience for you.

My explanation is they are all one in the same. There is no god the father it's just the father, there is not god the son, it's just the son, there is no god the holy spirit, it's just the holy spirit. All three make up one. IMO
One liners are fun, you seem to like doing it too.
I have great respect for the conversation, i have little respect for one of the participants. You had alot to do with that.

P.S. I have no problems answering anyones questions about what i believe, but once you mock what i believe, you can assume the conversation is over. I have a feeling you may do it without knowing, but you are doing it none the less.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;9435 wrote:

I have great respect for the conversation, i have little respect for one of the participants. You had alot to do with that.

So we agree on one thing. We have no respect for one another.
You probably had no respect for the nerdy kids in school either - the kids that got good grades.

Drnaline - you rarely actually add any value to the threads.
Like this one here - you criticize my "+" signs rather than provide new information that builds the discussion.

I understand that you are one of Brent's friends and that is why you have moderator status. With a new site such as this what you do at the start sets the mood of the website for everyone else that stumbles across and joins the site and the conversation.

Do you want this to be about opinions with not factual foundation.

Drnaline - you have a certain place in life.
I have a certain place in life.

One of us has to go.

You stay - I will go elsewhere

This place is a waste of time

From some PMs I have received from others - you have already done this to others as well.

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@z0z0,

For me, that's the truth. :headbang:

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@z0z0,

People are interesting. They believe what they WANT to believe rather than what really is.

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@z0z0,

z0z0;9437 wrote:

So we agree on one thing. We have no respect for one another.
You probably had no respect for the nerdy kids in school either - the kids that got good grades.

Drnaline - you rarely actually add any value to the threads.
Like this one here - you criticize my "+" signs rather than provide new information that builds the discussion.

I understand that you are one of Brent's friends and that is why you have moderator status. With a new site such as this what you do at the start sets the mood of the website for everyone else that stumbles across and joins the site and the conversation.

Do you want this to be about opinions with not factual foundation.

Drnaline - you have a certain place in life.
I have a certain place in life.

One of us has to go.

You stay - I will go elsewhere

This place is a waste of time

From some PMs I have received from others - you have already done this to others as well.

I'm not going anywhere.

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Drnaline - you rarely actually add any value to the threads.

That is your opinion and maybe some others. So what?

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Like this one here - you criticize my "+" signs rather than provide new information that builds the discussion.

You criticize quite a bit too if i remember right. Problem is you dont think it's wrong when you do it. That's where i come in.

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I understand that you are one of Brent's friends and that is why you have moderator status. With a new site such as this what you do at the start sets the mood of the website for everyone else that stumbles across and joins the site and the conversation.

I never new Brent a day before i joined this site.

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Do you want this to be about opinions with not factual foundation.

Funny thing is IMO you think your the only one that can provide this.

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Drnaline - you have a certain place in life.
I have a certain place in life.

One of us has to go.

You stay - I will go elsewhere

Like i said in the first line, i ain't going anywhere.

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From some PMs I have received from others - you have already done this to others as well.

I've never got a PM about it, humm? You give me alot of credit. "I've done this before?" So you saying you had no control? You just layed there and let me do this? You must have a low tolerence for others.

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