Your ideal of Hell is................

It doesnt exist

Huntsville, Alabama.









lmao, J/K I actually agree, I don't think there is such a place.

Some place hot?

If Huntsville is hell I wouldn't mind showin up

hmm. hell.

I'm thinking probably a 3rd degree burn over your entire body.

Any place without family and friends would be Hell for me .

Life,

Please provide a little more information:

i-de-al (i-del, i-del) n. 1. A conception of something in its absolute perfection. 2. One that is regarded as a standard or model of perfection or excellence. . . . SYNONYM: ideal, model, example, exemplar, standard, pattern These nouns refer to someone or something worthy of imitation or duplication. An ideal is a sometimes unattainable standard of perfection: "Religion is the vision of ... something which is the ultimate ideal, and the hopeless quest" (Alfred North Whitehead). A model is something to be imitated and often something deserving of imitation: "Our fellow countryman is a model of a man" (Charles Dickens). An example is a model that is likely to be imitated; the term often refers to something that serves rather as a deterrent or warning than as something to be emulated: "Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example" (Louis D. Brandeis). An exemplar is a person or thing that serves as an ideal example by reason of being either very worthy or truly representative of a type, admirable or otherwise: "He is indeed the perfect exemplar of all nobleness" (Jane Porter). A standard is an established criterion or recognized level of excellence regarded as being proper, fitting, or right: "It wouldn't be quite fair to test him by our standards" (William Dean Howells). A pattern serves as a model, plan, or guide in the creation of something: "I will be the pattern of all patience" (Shakespeare).

i-de-a (i-de) n. 1. Something, such as a thought or conception, that potentially or actually exists in the mind as a product of mental activity. 2. An opinion, a conviction, or a principle: has some strange political ideas. 3. A plan, scheme, or method. 4. The gist of a specific situation; significance: The idea is to finish the project on time and under budget. 5. A notion; a fancy. . . . SYNONYM: idea, thought, notion, concept, conception These nouns refer to what is formed or represented in the mind as the product of mental activity. Idea has the widest range: Fruit is not her idea of a dessert. Don't get any ideas about revenge. "Human history is in essence a history of ideas" (H.G. Wells). Thought is applied to what is distinctively intellectual and thus especially to what is produced by contemplation and reasoning as distinguished from mere perceiving, feeling, or willing: Quiet--she's trying to collect her thoughts. I have no thought of going to Europe. "Language is the dress of thought" (Samuel Johnson). Notion often refers to a vague, general, or even fanciful idea: "She certainly has some notion of drawing" (Rudyard Kipling). Concept and conception are applied to mental formulations on a broad scale: He seems to have absolutely no concept of time. "Every succeeding scientific discovery makes greater nonsense of old-time conceptions of sovereignty" (Anthony Eden).

Based on the above definitions, do you, as you state, want to (1) discuss the absolute perfection, excellence and model of hell; or rather, is it that you actually wish to (2) discuss different individual?s possibly ill-conceived concepts and fanciful notions regarding hell? There is also the possibility that you are looking for something more concrete than personal concepts, notions and fancies (the direction this thread seems to be going) and would rather (3) discuss actual definitions from the Bible. Please indicate which.

While you?re at it, would you please also specify which ?hell? you have in mind to discuss by providing a scriptural reference? The fact of the matter is that some versions/translations render into English as many as five different original language words by using only the one English word ?hell.? That being the case certainly helps to explain why you, and many others also, might possibly be confused about what hell is and how there have come to be so many different personal concepts, notions and fancies.

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I do LOOK for something more concrete, REAL experiences and/ or documentations of the BIBLICAL HELL( which is said to be an ACTUAL habitat/and container of spirits.

It is understood that the human eye perceives a tiny slither of the spectrum:lightbulb:.................
Yet I don't see many instruments developed to enhance our vision

Instead of thinking in a CIRCLE perhaps technology WILL give us the ability to test our ideals,theories, and guesses

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Uhm, we have instruments that allow us to see all the way from infrared to ultraviolet...

There's not much else you'd be able to have any use for.

I think he means that he wants us to discuss what we think hell is...or maybe I'm just completely stupid, and it's much more than a spelling error.

Life,

You say: ?I do LOOK for something more concrete, REAL experiences and/ or documentations of the BIBLICAL HELL?

I think I understand what you want: ?something more concrete? with ?documentations?. If I do not correctly understand what you what, just say the word and I will leave you to the ?possibly ill-conceived concepts and fanciful notions regarding hell? that the others will be happy to provide for you. I on the other hand, like you, prefer ?something more concrete?.

Because the following information is so readily available and thus easy for you to verify or document, I will use the King James Version (KJV) as my example of the confusion that arises from the inconsistent translations or renderings to which I referred in my initial comments.

The Hebrew word ?sheol? occurs 65 times in the Masoretic text. In the KJV, it is translated 31 times as ?hell,? 31 times as ?grave,? and 3 times as ?pit.?

Rendered as ?hell? 31 times: Deu_32:22, 2Sa_22:6, Job_11:8, Job_26:6, Psa_9:17, Psa_16:10, Psa_18:5, Psa_55:15, Psa_86:13, Psa_116:3, Psa_139:8, Pro_5:5, Pro_7:27, Pro_9:18, Pro_15:11, Pro_15:24, Pro_23:14, Pro_27:20, Isa_5:14, Isa_14:9, Isa_28:15 (2), Isa_28:18, Isa_57:9, Eze_31:16-17 (2), Eze_32:21, Eze_32:27, Jon_2:2 (2), Hab_2:5

Rendered as ?grave? 31 times: Gen_37:35, Gen_42:38, Gen_44:29, Gen_44:31, 1Ki_2:6 (2), 1Ki_2:9, Job_7:9, Job_21:13 (3), Job_24:19, Psa_6:5, Psa_30:3, Psa_31:17, Psa_49:14-15 (3), Psa_88:3, Psa_89:48, Psa_141:7, Pro_1:12, Pro_30:16, Ecc_9:10, Son_8:6, Isa_14:11, Isa_38:10, Isa_38:18, Eze_31:15, Hos_13:14 (2)

Rendered as ?pit? 3 times: Num_16:30, Num_16:33, Job_17:16

Beginning in the third century before Jesus the Jews started translating the Bible they then had, today commonly called the ?Old Testament?, into the Greek language and ?Hades? was the Greek word they chose to use to render the Hebrew word ?Sheol?. Thayer?s Greek-English Lexicon defines ?Hades? this way: (1) ?name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions? (2) ?Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead? (3) ?later use of this word: the grave, death, hell.? Obviously, the first two definitions refer to ?Hades? as it is used in early or Classical Greek writings and definition #3 refers to its later usage in the period before Koine Greek (Common Greek vs. Classical Greek) was replaced by Latin as the most commonly spoken language, and explains how it came to be used by Jewish translators and early Christian Bible writers for ?Sheol?.

The Greek word ?Hades? occurs 11 times in the Greek portion of the Bible commonly referred to as the ?New Testament?. In the KJV, it is translated 10 times as ?hell,? 1 time as ?grave?.

Rendered as ?hell? 10 times: Mat_11:23, Mat_16:18, Luk_10:15, Luk_16:23, Act_2:27, Act_2:31, Rev_1:18, Rev_6:8, Rev_20:13-14 (2)

Rendered as ?grave? 1 time: 1Co_15:55

At this point we can see that one Hebrew and one Greek word account for the overwhelming majority of times that we find the word ?hell? in an English Bible. Also we can see that persons who spoke those languages freely interchanged those two words.

There is no English word that conveys the complete, precise sense of the Hebrew word she?ohl?. Commenting on the use of the word ?hell? in Bible translation, Collier?s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says: ?Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ?hell,? as understood today, is not a happy translation.? Therefore many more recent Bible versions transliterate the original language words into English as ?Sheol? and ?Hades? rather than using ?hell? with its negative connotations.

Regarding Sheol, the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1971, Vol. 11, p. 276) noted: ?Sheol was located somewhere ?under? the earth. . . . The state of the dead was one of neither pain nor pleasure. Neither reward for the righteous nor punishment for the wicked was associated with Sheol. The good and the bad alike, tyrants and saints, kings and orphans, Israelites and gentiles?all slept together without awareness of one another.?

While the Greek teaching of the immortality of the human soul infiltrated Jewish religious thinking in later centuries, the Bible record shows that Sheol refers to mankind?s common grave as a place where there is no consciousness, in fact, nothing to do with any of the processes of life and living:

(Ecclesiastes 9:4-6) For as respects whoever is joined to all the living there exists confidence, because a live dog is better off than a dead lion. 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.

(Ecclesiastes 9:10) All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She?ol, the place to which you are going.

Those in Sheol neither praise God nor mention him:

(Psalm 6:4-5) Do return, O Jehovah, do rescue my soul; Save me for the sake of your loving-kindness. 5 For in death there is no mention of you; In She?ol who will laud you?

(Isaiah 38:17-19) Look! For peace I had what was bitter, yes, bitter; And you yourself have become attached to my soul [and kept it] from the pit of disintegration. For you have thrown behind your back all my sins. 18 For it is not She?ol that can laud you; death itself cannot praise you. Those going down into the pit cannot look hopefully to your trueness. 19 The living, the living, he is the one that can laud you, Just as I can this day. The father himself can give knowledge to his own sons concerning your trueness.

Yet it cannot be said that it simply represents ?a condition of being separated from God,? since the Scriptures render such a teaching untenable by showing that Sheol is ?in front of? him, and that God is in effect ?there:?

(Proverbs 15:11) She?ol and [the place of] destruction are in front of Jehovah. How much more so the hearts of the sons of mankind!

(Psalm 139:7-8) Where can I go from your spirit, And where can I run away from your face? 8 If I should ascend to heaven, there you would be; And if I should spread out my couch in She?ol, look! you [would be there].

(Amos 9:1-2) I saw Jehovah stationed above the altar, and he proceeded to say: ?Strike the pillar head, so that the thresholds will rock. And cut them off at the head, all of them. And the last part of them I shall kill with the sword itself. No one fleeing of them will make good his flight, and no one escaping of them will make his getaway. 2 If they dig down into She?ol, from there my own hand will take them; and if they go up to the heavens, from there I shall bring them down.

For this reason Job, longing to be relieved of his suffering, prayed that he might go to Sheol (that makes no sense if Sheol or ?hell? is a place of untold suffering and torture) and that he later be remembered by his God, Jehovah, and be called out from Sheol:

(Job 14:12-15) Man also has to lie down and does not get up. Until heaven is no more they will not wake up, Nor will they be aroused from their sleep. 13 O that in She?ol you would conceal [?protect?, according to Douay Version] me, That you would keep me secret until your anger turns back, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! 14 If an able-bodied man dies can he live again? All the days of my compulsory service I shall wait, Until my relief comes. 15 You will call, and I myself shall answer you. For the work of your hands you will have a yearning.

Based on the consensus of the definitions, meanings and IDEAS conveyed by the Bible?s writers when they originally used those terms/words and as determined through the examination those 76 times where we find those words used in the Bible, it becomes obvious that many people have, NOT ?possibly? but rather, DEFINITELY ?ill-conceived concepts and fanciful notions regarding hell.?

Easton's Bible Dictionary provides this definition: ?Heb., ?the all-demanding world? = Gr. Hades, ?the unknown region?.?

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia states: ?It [Sheol] is, as the antithesis of the living condition,?

Smith's Bible Dictionary says: ?Hell. In the Old Testament, this is the word generally, and unfortunately, used by our translators to render the Hebrew, Sheol. It really means the place of the dead, the unseen world, without deciding whether it be the place of misery or of happiness.?

Revelation 20:13-14 informs us: ?And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha?des [?hell? in many Bibles] gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and Ha?des [?hell?] were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.? Every single one who has ever died, and so entered ?hell? or Sheol/Hades, will be brought back to life and come out of ?hell?. Then death and ?hell? will destroyed, that is, be put out of existence permanently and without any possibility of reappearing, within the symbolism figuratively used for that situation, the ?lake of fire? or the ?second death?.

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