Do Pride And Shame Walk Hand In Hand, Or Are They The Same Thing?

Hi Mark!

Did you know that only two people in the history of this OP theme of yours actually had the guts to answer it?

Kind regards!
Mark...

Hi Mark!

Yes, I was aware of that! Thank you for replying though.

Do you know who those two people are?

Kind regards!
Mark...

Hi Mark!

Strangely enough I do.

Kind regards!
Mark...

Hi Mark!

Good for you!

Have a fantastic afternoon!!!
Mark...

Thank you!

shame on you

i hope your proud of yourself

Hi Djj!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCWYuIKEPo

Have a nice one!
Mark...

Sorry mark,
I had not found this until now,

Pride comes before a fall,
the fall would be shame.
But not every one needs fall.

I would not say they are the same thing,
but I would like very to hear your description of both Pride and Shame???

All my best,

Hi Sun!

As the title asks. Yes and Yes.
This is my opinion.

And those who fail to reply do so because so.

How does one admit their own shame on a public forum? .... Proudly, I guess.

Do you see the paradox?

xxx
Mark...

Is the paradox something to do with making public what ought be private?

Does it have anything to do with my proud on embarrassment?
Do you think embarrassment is a shame?

I am not sure I see the paradox,
Or my own shame very well.
Please illuminate for me the paradox,
It may come so please take your time in answering.

All my best,

I would have thought shame occurs when pride is compromised in some way. Pride being a synonym for "maintainence of face"

Pride is based solely upon the fear of shame, and people who fear something usually have experienced it or have an idea about it that strikes them as traumatic, so you could say they go hand in hand.

Hi Sentience!
Nice to see you!

Yes. Pride is the process of SELF-elevation - Why would anyone want to elevate themself?

Are they feeling inferior, perhaps?

Thank you Sentience, and you too Steve. Both of you have a fantastic evening, my friends!

Mark...

Is the pride a father feels for his son after he accomplishes a great feat a process of self-elevation? Should he feel shame for feeling such pride?

Hi Telamon!

If you understood how the word "pleased" is so often voiced as "pride", you wouldn't need to ask this.

Are you pleased for your child, or proud of your child?

If you are proud - your ego is enhanced.
If pleased - you are pleased.

Have a lovely day!
Mark...

If you understood how the word “pleased” is often the same as “pride”, you would see the paradox in your statement.

PRIDE:
1.a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.
2. the state or feeling of being proud.
3. a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.
4. pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.

in reference to definition #2, “Proud” as referenced here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proud

You will see under the proud definition, in the synonyms section, the exact question/statement I posed to you. I think a lot of you are looking to deep for an answer that’s not necessarily there. Yes, pride CAN BE the process of self-elevation, it CAN BE based upon fear of shame, but these are not the only possibilities. In my opinion, pleased and pride can come hand in hand, one could feel pleased with doing something well and proud of it as well. Two interchangeable words can frequently mean the same thing more often than not. Do pride and shame walk hand in hand, or are they the same thing? Is one built upon the foundation of the other? Yes, but not always.