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The shitstorm coming to Iran

 
 
Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 02:15 am
http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/21/iran-nuclear-israel-war-opinions-reza-kahlili.html?boxes=opinionschannelmostemailed

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Last week, Iran's opposition leaders Mir-Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi canceled anti-government demonstrations timed to commemorate the anniversary of last year's disputed presidential election. Secretary of the State Hillary Clinton called the cancellation "regrettable," but missed the larger point. The reform these two men offer is not what the majority of Iranians want: They want an end to the current Islamic regime.

One year ago, the Obama administration missed an opportunity to support Iran's uprising. They mistakenly calculated that back-door negotiations with Iran's clerics and promises made by its rulers would bring cooperation on the nuclear issue. The Americans were duped and now find themselves grasping for another chance to support an Iranian uprising.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration has ordered a massive buildup of U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf starting with Carrier Strike Group 10, headed by the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier. Just last Friday an armada of more than 12 U.S. and Israeli warships passed through the Suez canal amid extreme security provided by Egypt. The ships are headed for the Red Sea and from there to the Persian Gulf. Another four U.S. warships will be making their way to the region to join the Strike Group. The Americans have also conducted joint air and naval strike practices with France and the U.K. under the command of American forces, while Germany is sending warships to the area, also under the command of American forces.

Both Israel and the U.S. have positioned nuclear-armed submarines in the region. Israel has conducted multiple tests on its missile defense systems to protect its citizens once war breaks out. U.S. and Israeli Special Forces have been deployed inside Iran to investigate potential targets and gauge the willingness of Iranians to overthrow the current regime. Russia--up to now a key backer of the regime--recently announced a freeze in sales of its S-300 missiles to Iran. Vladimir Putin confirmed this himself last week.

Iran, for its part, is also preparing for an all-out war in the Middle East. Before even a vote was cast at the U.N. on recent sanctions, Iranian leaders had ordered the Guards to build up. Reinforcement troops have been dispatched to the Iraqi and Afghanistan borders. Hezbollah has been armed to the teeth, and Syria was presented with missiles carrying larger payloads and longer range.

Meanwhile Iran is busy pursuing its nuclear bomb project and enriching its supply of uranium faster than ever before, with the hope of testing its first nuclear bomb. Accomplishing this will fulfill the prophecy sought by the radical members of the secretive society of Hojjatieh, particularly its leader Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, the person responsible for the initial election and fraudulent re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Hojjatieh movement impatiently seeks the end of times and the return of Imam Mahdi, the last messiah.

The Islamic Regime is prepared to suppress any uprising. They are well aware of the West's intention to crumble Iran's economy in coming months and to create the conditions for a massive rebellion. Iran's Revolutionary Guards have set up detention centers in rural areas capable of housing thousands in the event of any further unrest. The Guards have been anticipating this day ever since Mohammad Ali Jafari was picked as commander by Iran's Supreme Leader Khamenei. Jafari has said that Iran's opposition is an even greater threat to Iran than its former archenemy Saddam Hussein had been. He has facilitated the establishment of 31 command and control centers in and around Iran that can operate independently in case of a break in communication during a war. Each center is authorized to suppress any unrest and to confront any enemy. Jafari has also brought Iran's Basij militia--a group of pro-government vigilantes--under Guard command to insure greater coordination.

The clock is ticking and the lives of hundreds of thousands--if not millions--are at stake. Now is the time to pursue all non-violent approaches: cut all diplomatic ties, expel Iranian officials and openly support the people of Iran. Only with international support will Iran's people be emboldened to rebel and will regime loyalists abandon ship. The desire to overthrow the regime is already so great within Iran that this alone could be enough to lead to successful rebellion.

But if war cannot be avoided, the West should keep in mind Iran's rich history of principles, humanity and dignity. Bombing Iran into the stone age is not the answer, for the country is rich in culture and its people are much more pro-West than most Americans realize. The focus of any war must be the Guards and the Basij forces. If Western forces can defeat them, Iran's people will do the rest, and its Islamic Regime will join other barbaric regimes in the trash bin of history.

Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for an ex-CIA spy who requires anonymity for safety reasons. A Time to Betray, his book about his double life as a CIA agent in Iran's Revolutionary Guards, was published by Simon & Schuster last April.
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 03:00 am
@gungasnake,
I think I read the article in hardcopy. I still don't pretend to know what we would have in Iran if the Islamic government were disposed.

Thanks for pulling the quote. That's always helpful.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 03:56 am

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...the West should keep in mind Iran's rich history of principles, humanity and dignity. Bombing Iran into the stone age is not the answer, for the country is rich in culture and its people are much more pro-West than most Americans realize.


Now there's a thought, eight years too late for the artefacts of Iran's rich culture, and after the flight of its educated middle class.
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electronicmail
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 04:41 am
@gungasnake,
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Meanwhile, the Obama administration has ordered a massive buildup of U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf starting with Carrier Strike Group 10, headed by the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier. Just last Friday an armada of more than 12 U.S. and Israeli warships passed through the Suez canal


2 sentences, 2 lies.

There's no buildup, one carrier group is replacing the other as part of standard rotation. From USN website
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no joint training with the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) CSG, which the Truman CSG is replacing, is currently scheduled before the departure of the Truman CSG.
The 11 US warships transiting the Suez canal are part of the same rotation. The "Israeli warships" were nowhere to be seen in the canal and the only report on their existence originated in an Israeli front named DEBKAfile.

Forbes has been "predicting" an attack on Iran is imminent for the last decade and counting. It's fine by me if you want to post propaganda but you really owe your readers a fact check alongside it.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 05:22 am
@electronicmail,
We'll see...
electronicmail
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 05:47 am
@gungasnake,
Well if you knew all along that the author of this article, promisingly signing himself
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Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for an ex-CIA spy who requires anonymity for safety reasons.

was writing pure propaganda all along why did you go ahead and title your thread "The shitstorm coming to Iran"? Other posters here might take you seriously.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 06:10 am
@electronicmail,
electronicmail wrote:
Other posters here might take you seriously.


this is G-snake, i don't think you have to worry about that
electronicmail
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 07:09 am
@djjd62,
Glad to know that but he's obviously not alone in peddling this propaganda and yes, many people who should know better fall for it. Remember McCain singing "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"? I'm no Obama fan but that spooked lots of potential McCain voters. It certainly spooked me. Read this headline from exactly 2 years ago on CBS
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June 24, 2008
Israel Prodding U.S. To Attack Iran
White House Weighs Striking Iran's Nuclear Complex, Which Could Trigger 3rd War In Region

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2008/06/24/image4206482g.jpg

It's worth taking the time to squelch irresponsible (I don't want to say traitorous, certainly not for McCain, a genuine hero, but G-snake I don't know) propaganda whenever it comes up. Simply pointing out it's based on FALSE INFO should do it. I hope. A 3rd war in the region? When we can't even explain or pay for the other 2? What kind of insanity is this?
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electronicmail
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 09:55 am
@djjd62,
I don't know if Gungasnake is consciously misrepresenting the truth or if he genuinely believes what he writes. If he's genuinely unwitting it's obviously unfair to peg him as traitorous. I want to retract and give him the benefit of doubt on that one. But I tried to investigate the general principle involved in peddling propaganda and came up with this neurological explanation in today's NYT http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/
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We are overshadowed by a nimbus of ideas. There is our physical reality and then there is our conception of ourselves, our conception of self — one that is as powerful as, perhaps even more powerful than, the physical reality we inhabit. A version of self that can survive even the greatest bodily tragedies. We are creatures of our beliefs. This is at the heart of....ideas about anosognosia — that the preservation of our fantasy selves demands that we often must deny our physical reality. Self-deception is not enough. Something stronger is needed. Confabulation triumphs....

If the stakes weren't so high in even thinking of starting a 3rd war I wouldn't bother with this inquiry. But as it is we all urgently need to know the motives of anyone advocating obvious daylight madness.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 03:57 am
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/85/993/Iran_blinks,_will_not_send_aid_ship_to_Gaza.html

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 03:59 am
@electronicmail,
http://upyourstruly.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/8516admitting-you-re-an-asshole-posters.jpg
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 04:05 am
So when are you going to take the first step, snake?
electronicmail
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:36 am
@MontereyJack,
Don't bother him, he's hard at work trying to locate the phantom ships of an entire carrier battle group plus the "Israeli warships armada". All of them reported missing in transit through the Suez canal Drunk Drunk Drunk Very Happy
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electronicmail
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 06:18 am
@gungasnake,
I'm trying to help you in your search. Here's what I found so far: nobody on the web including DEBKAfile knows what your phantom "Israeli warships armada" looks like. But here's a picture of a carrier group, that's a whole lot of boats. If they'd been reported missing in an ocean they'd be hard to locate, but you said they all vanished in a canal Rolling Eyes
http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Abraham-Lincoln-battlegroup.jpg/350px-Abraham-Lincoln-battlegroup.jpg
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