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American movie stars in Japanese/Overseas commercials

 
 
Roosh
 
Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2003 02:35 am
(I would have thought this belonged in the TV forum, but apparently this is the place? Anyway...)

Arrow I hear every now & then that big stars go abroad and shoot commercials (and get paid a lot of $ - ) so as not to alter their US images; Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Woody Allen, etc.
I've always been curious to see what they are like. Anyone ever seen any? Anyone know of a site to see the spots, either American or foreign sites?

Thanks. :wink:
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2003 03:36 am
They don't come to Oz. But there's very strict rules regarding overseas actors working here.
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Feuer
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 06:55 am
Most of the american actors take part in commercials for products of international companys. I'm sure that the same commercials are shown in many countrys. Sarah M. Gellar take part in a commercial for Loreal, for example...
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Roosh
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 10:47 am
Arrow Yeah, but what I was getting at, & what is touched on in the wonderful film Lost In Translation for example, are those commercials that really high profile screen stars will go do in countries such as Japan for alcohol or cigarrette companies etc, that you'd never be able to see over here. I was seeing so much wriiten in magazine & newspaper articles & in tv & radio interviews regarding the subject that I had become genuinely curious to see what some of these 'exclusive' ads look like.
It's for this reason that I ask if anyone knows of a site that would showcase some of these rarely, if ever seen (to American eyes at least) adverts...

Cheers :wink:
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Monger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 11:03 am
I don't know of any such Websites but, living in Japan, I've seen a lot of the kind of ads you're talking about. Things like Celine Dion advertising English teaching companies, Tiger Woods advertising "Wonda" coffee, Charlie Sheen staring in cigarette ads and suchlike. Sometimes it's pretty whacky, actually.

David & Victoria Beckham are definitely Japanese ad company favorites. Here's Victoria in a kimono from a recent Japanese face cream ad...
http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2004/01/15/victoriabeckham/imgs/beckham-dop1b.jpg

By the way, I'm looking forward to Lost in Translation coming out here.
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Roosh
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 11:23 am
Smile Right - that's the kind of stuff I'm hearing about. Hopefully someone will come up w/ a source for checking out some examples - your post is just piquing my curiosity that much more...

Yeah, I really enjoyed "LIT". When is it supposed to open there? It just received 3 "Golden Globe" awards last night for Bill Murray, writing (Sofia Coppola) & Best Comedy. The one drawback, there was a recent article in the NY Times regarding recent American films depicting Japanese culture such as Kill Bill, The Last Samurai & "LIT" - I didn't get a chance to read it, but I heard it suggested that some of these films are playing on stereotypes & have some Japanese (or at least those that live there) up in arms...maybe you'll be able to comment after seeing the film.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 11:33 am
Woody Allen and Peter Falk are very popular in Italy. They made ads in the late 80s.

I've seen Woody in a commercial for Coop, the chainstore of cooperatives. "Columbo" was advertising several products, from furniture to drinks.
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Monger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 11:51 am
Roosh, I can't speak for LIT yet but naturally some Japanese don't like that Japan is relentlessly portrayed, as I read in one article recently, "a land of samurai swords, weird fashions & yakuza gangs"...Kill Bill in particular didn't portray a "real" Japan at all, but then that wasn't exactly Mr. Tarantino's aim. I know a lot of people here who thought it was silly, & plenty of others who really liked it. I'm with that 2nd group.
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Roosh
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 12:59 pm
Right, I'd include myself in that latter group too (after being invited of coarse :wink: ) - you should know that you're not going to see a level of Kurosawa-intellect when going to see Kill Bill. I think those aforementioned points can be made out of context sometimes, though I also agree with what you say regarding the other relentless portrayals, which can be true of most cultures. Here's the article http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/14/1073877888681.html :

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Land of the rising cliche
January 17, 2004

(Tom Cruise in The Last Samurai, a vast improvement over earlier American films about Japan, according to local critics.)

Japan is relentlessly portrayed in films as a land of samurai swords, weird fashions and yakuza gangs. So, what do the Japanese make of it all? Motoko Rich reports.

In the climactic battle of Kill Bill Vol. 1, Quentin Tarantino's bloody revenge flick, O-Ren Ishii, the kimono-clad yakuza chieftess played by Lucy Liu, turns to Uma Thurman's blonde, blue-eyed Bride and caustically remarks: "Silly Caucasian girl likes to play with samurai swords."

The Bride turns out to be pretty good with her blade, but the sentiment might well be an epigraph for this season of subtitles and samurai.

Cinemas are suddenly being overrun with images of Japan.

Tom Cruise thunders across the battlefields of Meiji Restoration Japan in The Last Samurai.

Lost in Translation, Sofia Coppola's portrait of alienated Americans in Tokyo, is one of the indie hits of the year.

Nearly half the action in the first volume of Kill Bill (the second appears next month), with its rapturous, over-the-top homage to yakuza, manga and other Japanese genre films, takes place in a surreal movie-land Japan, subtitles and addled accents flying.

It is not just the setting that unites these movies. They are the objects of heated debate, particularly among Asian-Americans and Japanese, about whether Hollywood's current depictions of Japan are racist, naive, well-intentioned, accurate, or all of the above.

Reservations about The Last Samurai started with reviews that castigated the movie for its stale portrayals of Japanese culture, as well as the patronising narrative of a white man teaching the rapidly modernising Japanese how to honour their past.

Meanwhile, in an unfortunate incident, a consultant retained by a party planner for the Los Angeles premiere of The Last Samurai put out a public call requesting "beautiful Asian women" willing to dress up and "mingle in character . . . to create the ambience of ancient Japan, circa 1870s".

The ad was pulled after the consultant received numerous complaints about the treatment of Asian women as attractive set-pieces - as well as the notion that all Asian women are equivalent.

In Japan, the film opened on December 6 and has met with box office enthusiasm and generally favourable reviews.

"With his pursuit of realism director Edward Zwick seeks to surmount the misunderstandings and biases made by Westerners in the past," wrote Noriki Ishitobi in the Asahi Shimbun, one of three daily newspapers in Tokyo.

Tomomi Katsuta, who writes about films for Mainichi Shimbun, another of the newspapers, said that the movie was a vast improvement over previous American attempts to portray Japan in movies such as Shogun and Rising Sun.

(Japanese talk show host Matthew Minami and Bill Murray in Lost in Translation.)

He says those films were humiliating for Japanese audiences, adding: "They didn't understand Japanese culture or the customs of the Japanese."

Zwick, he says, had researched Japanese history, cast well-known Japanese actors and consulted dialogue coaches to make sure he did not confuse the casual and formal categories of Japanese speech.

Of course, Japanese audiences are relishing the opportunity to re-engage in the time-honoured moviegoing tradition of picking out a period drama's false touches: in this case, viewers have complained about anachronistic samurai battle gear, overly talkative warriors and the unlikely scenario of the emperor appearing before a foreigner.

But what seems to grate with Japanese viewers most is the movie's storybook approach to the samurai, who are depicted as unfailingly noble and pure.

In fact, the samurai myth is a fairly tarnished one in Japan, in a way that the movie's glory-filled depiction does not reflect.

Zwick acknowledges that the film simplifies Japanese history to make it accessible to a current - and Western - audience.

"The only thing one can do is hope that with a kind of immersion and some respectful understanding, that what you come up with is a distillation rather than a cliche," he says.

Star-studded Hollywood epics tend to play well in Japan. (Even Pearl Harbor, which was hardly a feelgood account of Japanese-American relations, was the second-highest grossing foreign film of its year.)

Lost in Translation will not open in Japan until May, but already the debate about the movie's stereotypes and how they will play with Japanese audiences has begun.

In one scene an aggressive prostitute tumbles into the hotel room of Bob, the washed-up movie actor played by Bill Murray. Hysterically exhorting him to rip her stockings, she manages only to instruct him to "lip them" and hilarity ensues.

In another scene, Bob looks completely lost in an appearance on a talk show as its zany host - played by Matthew Minami, who really is the host of such a show - cavorts in a Technicolor suit and dyed blond hair.

The film has won Golden Globe nominations and accolades from the New York Film Critics Circle and is widely regarded as an Oscar contender.

At the same time, filmgoers are debating whether the story uses, or even depends on, cultural mockery.

Kazuho Tsuchiya, a 33-year-old Japanese graduate student who has lived in the United States since 1997, says he liked the movie but was disappointed by some of the film's "diehard stereotypical images".

He points to the scene in which Bill Murray's character enters a full elevator and towers over all the Japanese occupants. Jokes about short Japanese men, he says, are a cheap laugh.


Ross Katz, a producer with Coppola of Lost in Translation, says he believes "Sofia's love of Japan and love of the people that she's met there is incredibly evident in the film."

He adds that the first main financier of the movie was a Japanese company, Tohokushinsha Film Corp, which is distributing the movie there.

"Literally, we recounted experiences that I think all of us had gone through in making the film," Katz says.

"When you land in a place in which you don't speak the language, and in which you don't know how to get places, there are funny, frustrating, difficult things that happen."

None of the scenes, Katz says, was "any slight to Japanese people".

Unlike its contemporaries, Kill Bill Vol. 1 makes no attempt to convey a "real" Japan. It is a pastiche, a dense layering of hip Japan-inflected references, not an attempt at verisimilitude.

In Japan, many critics praised Kill Bill for its knowing tribute to that country's B-movies.

"I think that many Japanese people understand Quentin Tarantino's aims," says Ken Sugawa, who makes promotional trailers for Wowow, a television and film production company in Tokyo.

"He wants to describe not real Japan and its culture, but the people and culture in films such as yakuza and B-action movies.

However, general Japanese audiences are not interested in what Mr Tarantino finds interesting."

Perhaps the most sensitive and well-rounded Japanese character can be found in a film far smaller than any of these three.

The Australian movie Japanese Story, which won the Australian Film Institute's best picture award, stars Toni Collette as a geologist who falls into an unlikely romance with a Japanese businessman, played by Gotaro Tsunashima, who travels to Australia to escape the obligations of work and family.

Sue Brooks, the Australian director of Japanese Story, wanted to deal with the cliches she had encountered in previous Western movies about Japan and address Australia's long-standing World War II-bred hostility toward Japan.

"It's sort of like an old sore that needed to be healed," Brooks says. "Not that we can heal it in one film, but we can give back that little bit."

But even Brooks's movie did not entirely steer clear of old archetypes: before he is humanised by his love affair with Sandy (Collette's character), Hiromitsu comes across as a cold, rational businessman - another stock image from Western depictions of Japan.

Compared to much earlier attempts to portray Japanese characters in Western movies, however, the current crop may seem downright enlightened.

During and immediately after World War II in films such as Back to Bataan, the Japanese were portrayed as "buck-toothed, glasses wearing, cruel, treacherous semi-animalistic characters", according to film historian Robert Sklar.

Today the political and economic dynamic between the two countries is less easily categorised.

In the absence of any conflict, the current spate of Japan-obsessed movies may simply represent the increasing popularity of Japanese culture in a rapidly globalising world.

- New York Times


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Monger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 10:42 pm
Wink
That's the same article about that that I read.


Getting back to advertisements, I searched a bit online and found www.japander.com ... It features the exact kind of ads you're looking for. Cool
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Monger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 10:45 pm
Stars hide antics from Western eyes
By Charles Bodsworth
BBC News Online

Imagine Sylvester Stallone advertising ham, Nicholas Cage promoting pinball parlours or the Beckhams selling Castrol oil.
Imagine if you will, because, unless you live in Japan, you are unlikely to see these things.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39653000/jpg/_39653963_arnie3_203.jpg
Arnold Schwarzenegger - now California Governor

If you are Japanese, on the other hand, you need only turn on the TV to see Western stars playing the fool in advertisements.

Take for instance the ad in which Sean Connery sings along in Japanese with an inflatable rabbit - in aid of yoghurt sales. Or another where Leonardo DiCaprio defeats a hijacker with the aid of a champagne cork - selling credit cards.

Audiences in the UK are about to get just a taste of this world through the film Lost in Translation starring Bill Murray.

Murray plays an out-of-luck American actor who goes to Japan to advertise whiskey, following in the footsteps of Mickey Rourke, Sammy Davis Junior and, again, Sean Connery.

Japan Market Intelligence, a leading research and consulting company in Tokyo, says the going rate for talent is between $1m and $3m.

But while they may be happy to take the cash, it seems that some at least are not so happy for their Western fans to see them in action.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39645000/jpg/_39645303_ringo203.jpg
• Charles Bronson started the trend with ads for Mandom hair oil
• Wallace and Gromit fronted a creme caramel campaign
• Madonna declared "I am pure" for shochu alchoholic drinks
• The Beckhams are estimated to have a deal worth £5.5m


But in the internet age it has become more difficult to stop that happening.

Alan Soiseth puts the ads onto his Japander website. He calls it "a little bit of fun with an alternate view of celebrities".

But not all those celebrities agree. Lawyers for Leonardo DiCaprio and Meg Ryan have used a little legal persuasion to get him to remove their clients' ads from the site.

It is not as if those in the West are strangers to film stars plugging products, but there is something different about these ads.

On the one hand, to Western eyes, there seems little connection between the stars and their products.

What possessed advertisers to match Whitney Houston and investment products? Or Bruce Willis and a chain of petrol stations?

Dig a bit deeper though and Japanese ads turn out to be witty and inventive.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39645000/jpg/_39645415_ford203.jpg
Harrison Ford enjoys Kirin beer

Ringo Starr may not seem the obvious choice to advertise an apple drink, unless you know that ringo means apple in Japanese. And, with a little creative pronunciation Ringo Starr can sound like "made by grinding apples".

Celine Dion took part in a big campaign for an English language school called Aeon, which rhymes nicely with her surname.

David Kilburn, a financial journalist who has tracked Japanese advertising for more than 20 years, puts the apparent strangeness down to the nature of celebrity in Japan.

He says: "Celebrities in Japan live on an elevated plateau, so the inconsistencies between reality and the world portrayed are seldom troublesome."

In other words, no one really minds if, say, Harrison Ford really does drink Kirin beer, as long as he does something wacky while promoting it.

On the other hand, it is easy to imagine why Sean Connery, known for his support of Scottish nationalism, might not want fellow Scots to see him advertising Japanese whiskey.
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Monger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 10:46 pm
Another article... Salon.com - How U.S. stars sell Japan to the Japanese
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Roosh
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2004 01:38 am
Cool Laughing
Great stuff, Monger. Thanks.
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JZolghadr
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 09:32 pm
American Actors in Japanese Commercials
While it there is no doubt the demand is high for American Celebs for adverts, does anyone know if the demand for American Non-Celeb actors are for commercials and such are?

-Z
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