@neologist,
Of course there are contradictions. Most stories appear two or three times. There are two creation stories.
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
Believe the lie if you wish; but when you're dead, you're dead.
That does not discount the possibility of resurrection.
Resurrection? When we have accomplished what Jesus accomplished, then we will be able to "resurrect" whomever and whatever we wish, heal people, co-create). Said Jesus, "Ye can do these things, even more so than me." (not exact words).
@Pemerson,
Exact reference will get my attention. Otherwise, yer just flappin yer lips
@neologist,
I believe the quotes can be found here : John 14:12 and John 6:28-29
NEOLOGIST, did you want all of it? You got it. You could also read the Gnostic Gospels - You know, those books (manuscripts) found in Egypt in the 1940s that weren't included in the Bible by the early Bishops?
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John 14:6
Rank: 3 Book of John Chapter 14
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (NIV)
Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me. (AMP)
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (KJV)
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1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me." 2 My Father's house has plenty of room; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 "You know the way to the place where I am going." 5 Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." 7 "If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." 8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." 9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" 10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, all who have faith in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. 15 "If you love me, keep my commands." (NIV)
1 DO NOT let your hearts be troubled (distressed, agitated). You believe in and adhere to and trust in and rely on God; believe in and adhere to and trust in and rely also on Me. 2 In My Father's house there are many dwelling places (homes). If it were not so, I would have told you; for I am going away to prepare a place for you. 3 And when (if) I go and make ready a place for you, I will come back again and will take you to Myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And [to the place] where I am going, you know the way. 5 Thomas said to Him, Lord, we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way? 6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me. 7 If you had known Me [had learned to recognize Me], you would also have known My Father. From now on, you know Him and have seen Him. 8 Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father [cause us to see the Father--that is all we ask]; then we shall be satisfied. 9 Jesus replied, Have I been with all of you for so long a time, and do you not recognize and know Me yet, Philip? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say then, Show us the Father? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me? What I am telling you I do not say on My own authority and of My own accord; but the Father Who lives continually in Me does the (His) works (His own miracles, deeds of power). 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me; or else believe Me for the sake of the [very] works themselves. [If you cannot trust Me, at least let these works that I do in My Father's name convince you.] 12 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, if anyone steadfastly believes in Me, he will himself be able to do the things that I do; and he will do even greater things than these, because I go to the Father. 13 And I will do [I Myself will grant] whatever you ask in My Name [as presenting all that I AM], so that the Father may be glorified and extolled in (through) the Son. [Exod. 3:14.] 14 [Yes] I will grant [I Myself will do for you] whatever you shall ask in My Name [as presenting all that I AM]. 15 If you [really] love Me, you will keep (obey) My commands. (AMP)
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (KJV)
@Pemerson,
Pemerson wrote:John 14:6
Rank: 3 Book of John Chapter 14
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (NIV)
This simply proves that Jesus is not the same person as his father.
Quote: 12 Very truly I tell you, all who have faith in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. 15 "If you love me, keep my commands." (NIV)
And the preaching that Jesus started has now expanded greatly throughout the entire world.
Oh, did you think he meant healings and resurrections?
(1 Corinthians 13:8-10) . . .Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives,
that which is partial will be done away with. . .
emphasis mine.
@Ionus,
Time to get specific. But this disclaimer:
If you think you might overwhelm me with many examples, allow me to apologize in advance for choosing only one or two for response.
I'm a man of few words.
And I'm busy selling cool stuff on eBay.
@neologist,
Neologist: This is about all that matters:
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (KJV)
This is pure metaphysics. Jesus himself was a man, but he was in contact with that part within [us all] that he refers to as "my Father."
I don't know if we are having an argument, or agreeing. Except maybe I think we have to do these things for ourselves. Nobody does it for us just because we "have faith."
@Ionus,
Cut and paste posts impress me very little, especially those full of wayward opinion.
Since you have loaded the board, forgive me if I focus on only one issue.
Adam and Eve did die on the day they ate.
In actuality, as in "dead man walking", they lost their perfection.
Symbolically, as to God "a day is as a thousand years" (2 Peter 3:8)
And, literally, as nowhere does it say that the seventh creative day has ended.
You weren't naive enough to think these were 24 hour days, were you?
@neologist,
Nice side track. Can you or can you not see two creation stories ?
@neologist,
So you can see two stories but you think they are both the same ?
@Ionus,
There is nothing in chapter 2 to contradict that which was written in chapter 1.
The statement in verse 4 simply underscores that the creative days are not literal 24 hour days, but indeterminate periods of time, the seventh of which has not yet ended.
@BDV,
personally I reckon there is plenty of sex, but no orgasms.
That would be hell, wouldn't it?
@jeeprs,
Sounds like women live in hell.
@tenderfoot,
tenderfoot wrote:
I belive all the beer barrels there have holes in them and the girls don't
this was my favorite response even though i hate it. this definitely would be my definition of hell. as material as it is, it would have to be. could a god be so cruel as to allow the existence of such a realm? burn me to a crisp, torture me with not allowing me to hang out with you, but a place where women do not have holes is just too much to bare.
