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Reply Fri 5 Feb, 2010 03:56 pm
Ever wonder what sort of stuff you might be reading about after guns are outlawed and banned? I mean, that should pretty much put an end to all violent crime, right? Check this out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248592/Gang-members-used-ferocious-dogs-attack-teenagers-stabbing-death.html
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A 16-year-old boy was killed in a gang attack in which two dogs were used as weapons to bring down and savage victims, a court heard today.
Seyi Ogunyemi died in Larkhall Park, south London, after being stabbed six times in April last year, the Old Bailey was told.
His 17-year-old friend was knifed nine times and was lucky to survive the attack, in which both youths also suffered apparent dog bites, jurors heard.
Brian Altman QC, prosecuting, told the court: 'What was so unusual if not unique about this case is that in the initial stages of the attack both these dogs were deployed as weapons.
'At the time of the attack both dogs were unleashed, and chased and then brought down and savaged their victims, giving their human masters an advantage, enabling them then to access their victims in order to stab them with knives.'
Mr Altman said the dogs used in the attack were an adult male Staffordshire bull terrier-bull mastiff cross named 'perhaps not unsuitably' Tyson, and an adult female Brindle Staffordshire terrier called Mia.
Tyson was owned by one of three alleged killers, Chrisdian Johnson, and Mia by another, Darcy Menezes, the court heard.
Chrisdian Johnson, 22, and his brother Shane Johnson, 20, both of south Lambeth, south London, along with Menezes, 18, of Clapham, south London, each deny murder and attempted murder.
Mr Altman told the court Seyi and the other youth were both found critically injured in the park on the evening of April 27 last year.
One of the stab wounds had struck Seyi's aorta and despite emergency surgery at the scene he died, while his friend 'by pure good fortune' survived.
Two others who had been with them were also stabbed, the court heard.
A police investigation revealed that two groups, each of about six youths, aged 15 to 20, wearing hoodies, some possibly masked, had been in the area of the Lansdowne Green estate earlier that evening, the court heard.
'Witnesses spoke of both of these groups as being on a mission or as having a common purpose,' said Mr Altman.
The two gangs had been 'patrolling' the estate before merging to form the 'attacking group' at the entrance to the park, the court heard.
Mr Altman said the victim was in a group of six from the nearby Stockwell Gardens estate who had come into the park.
'It was here that the attacking group confronted them with quite devastating consequences,' he said.
'The attack was described by one shocked onlooker as vicious and as mirroring the behaviour of a pack of wild animals.
'The twist to the story of this case is that the victims were attacked not only by the attackers but also by dogs. Seyi Ogunyemi was stabbed to death therefore in what was a quite deliberate and planned attack.'
Mr Altman said all three defendants were 'both present and participating in the general attack albeit in different ways'.
'They were not alone. There were clearly others who, despite a thorough police investigation, have not been identified or caught.'
The trial was adjourned.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248592/Gang-members-used-ferocious-dogs-attack-teenagers-stabbing-death.html#ixzz0ehX1B5Hb




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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 5 Feb, 2010 04:00 pm
assholes will always be assholes
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 5 Feb, 2010 04:02 pm
@gungasnake,
It's his own fault for not having his own dog pack.
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raprap
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 05:11 am
That's what you get when you bring a cat to a dog fight.

Rap
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 07:14 am

Its a good thing that the victims were unarmed, in full compliance with the law,
or the dogs might have been harmed.

The decedent 's survivors can proudly emblazon upon
his tombstone: HERE LIES THE BODY OF A MAN
WHO ROBUSTLY OBAYED
ALL GUN CONTROL LAWS

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 07:39 am

Guns were among Man's oldest machines with moving parts,
invented by the Chinese, many centuries b4 any electric tool.

The M-1 Carbine was invented by a prisoner, David Williams,
in prison for moonshining; convicts have secretly made pistols,
including a fully functional submachinegun, one-part-at-a-time,
with the guards around in prison workshops.

The accumulated knowledge of the gunsmith is NOT SECRET;
it is among the world's freely available engineering data.
If criminals had no guns, they'd arm themselves using
that information and access to the hardware stores of America;
thus the FUTILITY of the "gun control" philosophy:
the disarmament of criminals is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE.

REMOVAL from America of violently felonious recidivists can reduce misconduct.
Crime comes from bad people, not from tools.
Should umbrellas be blamed for rain? pens for forgery? spoons for obesity?


Repressionists want to disarm citizens,
saying that guns are sometimes used to facilitate crime.
They fail to understand that the actual weapon is the HUMAN MIND,
whose cleverness has not been controlled nor restrained
(even in prison). This mind expresses itself perseveringly,
into the manifestation of its felt needs or desires,
and it has FOREVER to do the job that it selects (e.g., the art of the gunsmith/gun merchant).

In the 1920s, it was pervasively proven by citizens privately making bathtub gin,
or using Speakeasys (and is proven again now by marijuana users) that Prohibition is futile.


Its an INSPIRING testament to the INDEPENDENT spirit of Man.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 05:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You might want to take a look at the wiki page for wheellock arms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheellock

Again despite all the bad press, wiki is enormously useful for topics for which no controversy could plausibly exist.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 08:57 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
You might want to take a look at the wiki page for wheellock arms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheellock

Again despite all the bad press, wiki is enormously useful for topics for which no controversy could plausibly exist.
Thank u, Gunga. I loved it: very instructive.
Was there a specific point about the Wheel lock that u wanted to bring out ?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 09:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No, just a case in point for your general statement that firearm technology was the most major initial motivation for the modern age of machinery. Most people wouldn't have any idea how complex a thing a wheellock weapon was.
Seed
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 09:08 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

assholes will always be assholes
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 09:27 pm
@gungasnake,
Yes, and with time, came simplicity of operation.
I have seen some extremely simple modern zipguns.
Indeed, we 've seen submachinegun technology be progressively more simplified.
I love submachineguns; very sweet.

I saw on 60 Minutes some years ago,
a village in the mountains of Pakistan (or Afganistan ?)
with no electricity whose main source of income
was the manufacture of fully automatic weapons,
by encroachment upon the patents of well established and loved automatic weapons.
Where there is a will, there is a way.

That is another testament to the Independent spirit of Man.





David
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 10:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
One thing you should understand is that a wheellock was always a gentleman's weapon and mainly for hunting; the things were too expensive for military use. Military use of gunpowder weapons was limited to simple matchlocks until around 1600 with the French invention of the flintlock which was the first halfway decent powder weapon for the non-rich and/or soldiers.

The modern age of weapons starting from the late 1700s came in several steps spanning about 90 years starting with percussion caps which were devised by a man who could not afford a wheellock, the miniball and modern bullets, cap/ball revolvers, cartridges, lever-action rifles, and finally smokeless powder and the first Mauser rifles, in something like that order.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 6 Feb, 2010 11:05 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
One thing you should understand is that a wheellock was always a gentleman's weapon and mainly for hunting; the things were too expensive for military use. Military use of gunpowder weapons was limited to simple matchlocks until around 1600 with the French invention of the flintlock which was the first halfway decent powder weapon for the non-rich and/or soldiers.

The modern age of weapons starting from the late 1700s came in several steps spanning about 90 years starting with percussion caps which were devised by a man who could not afford a wheellock, the miniball and modern bullets, cap/ball revolvers, cartridges, lever-action rifles, and finally smokeless powder and the first Mauser rifles, in something like that order.
Yes; Claude-Etienne MiniƩ invented the conical slug that bore his name in 1847.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2010 04:22 am
@OmSigDAVID,
One other thing to understand if you have any interest in black powder weapons...

The touch holes in all modern flintlock weapons, as shipped, are too small. The most major priority of modern black powder weapon manufacturers is avoiding liability lawsuits, meaning that if the thing misfires one time out of five or thereabouts, the only consequence is that Bambi might get to live another day. In 1750 the likely consequence of a misfire was that the owner either got killed in battle or eaten by a bear.







OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2010 06:56 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
One other thing to understand if you have any interest in black powder weapons...

The touch holes in all modern flintlock weapons, as shipped, are too small. The most major priority of modern black powder weapon manufacturers is avoiding liability lawsuits, meaning that if the thing misfires one time out of five or thereabouts, the only consequence is that Bambi might get to live another day. In 1750 the likely consequence of a misfire was that the owner either got killed in battle or eaten by a bear.


Yeah; I 've always been into breech loaders.
Tho I have a few shoulder weapons,
most of my gun collection consists of handguns, predominantly revolvers.
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