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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:36 pm
The polar bear and Al Gore...

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Philis
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 12:02 am
@gungasnake,
I agree. Politicians want to slap citizens on the back and say good job when we recycle and watch our emissions. But the real hoax is going to be the bank of environmental issues controlling humanity and how we live and they intend to get stinking rich but remember you get a high five.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 12:06 am
@gungasnake,
Those pesky little things like fact checking really can screw with a guy's head, eh Gunga?

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“Climategate”
Hacked e-mails show climate scientists in a bad light but don't change scientific consensus on global warming.

Summary

In late November 2009, more than 1,000 e-mails between scientists at the Climate Research Unit of the U.K.’s University of East Anglia were stolen and made public by an as-yet-unnamed hacker. Climate skeptics are claiming that they show scientific misconduct that amounts to the complete fabrication of man-made global warming. We find that to be unfounded:
The messages, which span 13 years, show a few scientists in a bad light, being rude or dismissive. An investigation is underway, but there’s still plenty of evidence that the earth is getting warmer and that humans are largely responsible.

Some critics say the e-mails negate the conclusions of a 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, but the IPCC report relied on data from a large number of sources, of which CRU was only one.
E-mails being cited as "smoking guns" have been misrepresented.

For instance, one e-mail that refers to "hiding the decline" isn’t talking about a decline in actual temperatures as measured at weather stations. These have continued to rise, and 2009 may turn out to be the fifth warmest year ever recorded. The "decline" actually refers to a problem with recent data from tree rings.

Analysis
Skeptics claim this trove of e-mails shows the scientists at the U.K. research center were engaging in evidence-tampering, and they are portraying the affair as a major scandal: "Climategate." Saudi Arabian climate negotiator Mohammad Al-Sabban went so far as to tell the BBC: "It appears from the details of the scandal that there is no relationship whatsoever between human activities and climate change." He said that he expected news of the e-mails to disrupt the U.N. climate summit in Copenhagen this month. An article from the conservative-leaning Canada Free Press claims that the stolen files are proof of a "deliberate fraud" and "the greatest deception in history."

Missing the Mark
We find such claims to be far wide of the mark. The e-mails (which have been made available by an unidentified individual here) do show a few scientists talking frankly among themselves " sometimes being rude, dismissive, insular, or even behaving like jerks. Whether they show anything beyond that is still in doubt. An investigation is being conducted by East Anglia University, and the head of CRU, Phil Jones, has "stepped aside" until it is completed. However, many of the e-mails that are being held up as "smoking guns" have been misrepresented by global-warming skeptics eager to find evidence of a conspiracy. And even if they showed what the critics claim, there remains ample evidence that the earth is getting warmer.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 03:04 am
@JTT,
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Those pesky little things like fact checking really can screw with a guy's head, eh Gunga?


Give me a break weather and climate had been changing for the whole life time of the earth long long before man walk the planet let alone lit the first fire! In other word climate is hardly a stable system with or without mankind existing.

With worthless computer models that can not even track backward and only the very beginning of understanding the very complex system of weather/climate all we so far had is junk science.

gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 08:00 am
@BillRM,
This one is worse than junk science. It's basically a criminal conspiracy.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2014 09:33 am
NY Times Political Memo: Why Republicans keep telling everyone they're not scientists
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/us/why-republicans-keep-telling-everyone-theyre-not-scientists.html?_r=0

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WASHINGTON — Gov. Rick Scott of Florida, a Republican who is fighting a Democratic challenge from former Gov. Charlie Crist, was asked by The Miami Herald if he believes climate change is significantly affecting the weather. “Well, I’m not a scientist,” he said.

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who is locked in a tight re-election race, was asked this month by The Cincinnati Enquirer if he believes that climate change is a problem. “I’m not a scientist,” he said.

House Speaker John A. Boehner, when asked by reporters if climate change will play a role in the Republican agenda, came up with a now-familiar formulation. “I’m not qualified to debate the science over climate change,” he said.
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