ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2010 02:59 pm
Raise high the roof beam, carpenters
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2010 03:05 pm
@Rockhead,
Jodie don't do boys, anyway.

Why is the assumption here that the only book Salinger ever wrote was A Catcher in the Rye? He wrote some other way more depressing **** than that . . .
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2010 03:08 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

The one that killed John Lennon urged everyone to read it. That was one reason I held back.


if you hadn't read it by that point, it was too late for you
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Merry Andrew
 
  1  
Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2010 03:09 pm
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

I liked Franny and Zooey better.


Me too. Catcher is by no means Sallinger's best work. He wrote a few really insightful and good shorter pieces. I, for one, think we lost one of our most powerful voices which never actualy reached full potential when J.D. called it quits as a writer.
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2010 03:15 pm
@Merry Andrew,
not a fan.
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wandeljw
 
  1  
Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2010 07:30 pm
Paul McCartney was once asked about Catcher in the Rye and it's connection to the murder of John Lennon. McCartney pointed out that people tried to connect songs that McCartney wrote with Charles Manson's murder spree.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 28 Jan, 2010 07:44 pm
@wandeljw,
Lennon's killer made the connection with Catcher during an interview after his conviction. He advised people to read it. The article did not mention how the man made his connection.
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2010 09:19 am
@edgarblythe,
Verlyn Klinkenborg did a short pice on Salingers hermit status in this AMs NYT.
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Gargamel
 
  4  
Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2010 10:00 am
When I was 20 people were telling me I was too old to read Catcher in the Rye for the first time. That was some bullshit.

I do see how, today, a former era's prototype of the anti-hero might not impress those of us who have seen so many reiterations of it in novels and movies. And a younger person would have less exposure to them--at least with respect to the novels. So perhaps the impact is greater on them?

But even so. You can't **** with Holden's character voice. No holes in it. It gets stuck in your head like the first song you hear in the morning.

Here's a passage I've always remembered for whatever reason:

One of the biggest reasons I left Elkton Hills was because I was surrounded by phonies. That's all. They were coming in the goddam window. For instance, they had this headmaster, Mr. Haas, that was the phoniest bastard I ever met in my life. Ten times worse than old Thurmer. On Sundays, for instance, old Haas went around shaking hands with everybody's parents when they drove up to school. He'd be charming as hell and all. Except if some boy had little old funny-looking parents. You should've seen the way he did with my roommate's parents. I mean if a boy's mother was sort of fat or corny-looking or something, and if somebody's father was one of those guys that wear those suits with very big shoulders and corny black-and-white shoes, then old Hans would just shake hands with them and give them a phony smile and then he'd go talk, for maybe a half an hour, with somebody else's parents. I can't stand that stuff. It drives me crazy. It makes me so depressed I go crazy.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2010 11:11 am
In John Guare's play "Six Degrees of Separation" there is a long speech about Catcher in the Rye. The character claimed that he was writing a thesis on the book:
Quote:

This nitwit Chapman,
who shot John Lennon,
said he did it to draw the attention
of the world to Catcher in the Rye,
and the reading of this book
would be his defence.
Young Hinckley, the whiz kid who shot
Reagan and his press secretary, said:
"If you want my defence, all you
have to do is read... Catcher in the Rye. "

- I haven't read it in years.

- Shh.

I borrowed a copy from a young friend.
I wanted to see what she had underlined.
And I read this book to find out why
this touching, beautiful, sensitive story
had turned into this manifesto of hate.
I started reading. It's exactly as I had
remembered. Everybody's a phoney.
Page two - "My brother's
in Hollywood being a prostitute."
Page three -
"What a phoney slob his father was."
Page nine -
"People never notice anything."
Then, on page ten, my hair stood up.
Well...
Remember Holden Caulfield, the definitive
sensitive youth wearing his hunter's cap?
A deer hunter's cap?
"Like hell it is. I sort of closed one eye
like I was taking aim at it."
"This is a people shooting hat."
"I shoot people in this hat."
This book is preparing people for bigger
moments than I had ever dreamed of.
Then, on a later page --
"I'd rather push a guy out the window
or chop his head off with an axe
than sock him in the jaw."
"I hate fistfights. What scares
me most is the other guy's face."
I finished the book.
It's touching and comic.
The boy wants to do so much
and can't do anything.
Hates all phoniness
and only lies to others.
Wants everyone to like him but is only
hateful and is completely self involved.
In other words, a pretty accurate
picture of a male adolescent.
What alarms me about the book - not the
book so much as the aura about it - is this.
The book is primarily about paralysis.
The boy can't function.
At the end, before he can run away and
start a new life, it starts to rain. He folds.
There's nothing wrong in writing about
emotional and intellectual paralysis.
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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2010 01:23 pm
@Gargamel,
Good old Phoebe.
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RonPrice
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 06:21 am
@edgarblythe,
WITHDRAWAL AND RETURN

Many writers, artists, poets, people in the world of culture and the arts, go into seclusion after their early successes. In a radio program today, Arts Today, two such writers were mentioned: J.D. Salinger and Thomas Pynchon. Others go into seclusion later in their careers. It is part of a general pattern which the historian Arnold Toynbee calls "withdrawal-and-return." Others call the axis along which specific changes or rhythms take place 'approach-and-separation.' Sometimes the artist will withdraw and never return. Sometimes he will return or approach in a more moderate way than he had originally. I have, recently, withdrawn or separated from quite an intense milieux of employment and community work and I have returned in a moderate way. Various factors predisposed me to go inward by the last years of my middle age, the years 55 to 60. This process of a withdrawal into solitude is hardly observable except to friends and relatives with whom one has some close connection by birth, by marriage or by lengthy association. In the case of J. D. Salinger it was observable because he had become a famous writer and the world wanted contact with a person who had become by degrees a recluse. Insight comes from an inner gestation, a Socratic wisdom associated with knowing yourself, a personal growth. Such was the view of Salinger. For Salinger this social reversal brought drama, change, intensification and new landmarks on a personal quest. It was a personal quest which ended today. -Ron Price, Pioneering Over Four Epochs, 29 March 2001 and updated on the day of Salinfer’s death: 30/1/’10.

Shocking public events
have inspired this poetic,
catastrophic happenings
to someone born in 1944,
to someone who tried to
find the Kingdom come
with power and has now
seen nearly half a century
of its slow establishment
around this global world.

Here are enough themes
to occupy time, energy &
the genius of a dozen men:
historians, sociologists and
philosophers"an inspiration
from another realm, a most
wonderful and thrilling motion,
fifty years of it, drying out my
intellectual eyes with a series of
barren fields and psychically
winding my mind with a new
fertility that surpassed all that
I had experienced in life, filled
my days with a revivifying breath
or I would have died in a wasteland
without a wimper amidst stony rubbish.(1)

(1) T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland, line 19.

Ron Price
30 March 2001
updated: 30/1/’10
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 12:03 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Dead.
I always meant to read his book, but just didn't.


You didn't miss anything
Gargamel
 
  2  
Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 12:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Actually, yeah, he did.
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Joe Nation
 
  3  
Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 12:54 pm
Too true, G.


Life may not have been changed.
Joe(but you will never know.)Nation
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 12:59 pm
I have decided to pay a visit to Half Price Books today. Perhaps they will still have his work on the shelf. Maybe not, since authors' deaths always spikes interest in buying a part of them.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 01:01 pm
@ehBeth,
ebeth
I just boticed your lovely avatar
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 01:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
noticed -
Jeez, what a typo.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 05:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
The onliest one they had was Franny and Zooey. That is fine. If I don't like him, I need not spend more money.
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Joe Nation
 
  2  
Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 07:23 am
Edgar
Your book report is due by Friday.

Joe(100 words: Express your impressions)Nation
 

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