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What does this mean!!!!!!???????HELP!

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jan, 2010 05:53 pm
@Seed,
How did u select the artwork ?
parados
 
  1  
Wed 20 Jan, 2010 06:09 pm
@NickFun,
NickFun wrote:

Those little kid tattoos are going to look silly when you get older. Come to think of it, they look silly now!


Some of us just have to live with the mistakes we made when we were five.
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Seed
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2010 06:12 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Just got a collection of characters that I liked. That art style that I enjoyed and portrayed the game well and then had the tattoo artist put it together
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Seed
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2010 06:14 pm
@NickFun,
NickFun wrote:

Those little kid tattoos are going to look silly when you get older. Come to think of it, they look silly now!


Who says I plan to get old? As well, I don't get tattoos to please other people. I get them because they have meaning in my life and I like them.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2010 10:33 pm
@shewolfnm,
shewolfnm wrote:
it means you need to do your own homework


This may be a perfectly legitimate way of doing it though.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 21 Jan, 2010 02:26 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

shewolfnm wrote:
it means you need to do your own homework


This may be a perfectly legitimate way of doing it though.
Yes, I agree. Discussion of the subject matter here
can lead to an insightful understanding thereof.
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dlowan
 
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Thu 21 Jan, 2010 02:34 am
@emshae,
emshae wrote:

A. Why does your sword so drip with blood, Eddie, Eddie! Why does your sword so drip with blood why do you walk so sadly I have killed my good hawk and I have never had a mare? but him your hawk's blood was never so red, Ed, Ed Your hawk's blood was never so red my dear son, Oh I tell thee Oh I have killed my red roan steed, mother, mother Oh I have killed my red roan steed that once was so fair and free, OH Something like that.



Are you able to translate now?

I'd not shorten Edward to "Ed"!!!


Quote:
And I had nae mair but hee O.


And I have no more than he. (I have no other hawk.)

I think you've done a pretty good job.


Have you read the rest of the poem?

Do you like it?




dadpad
 
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Thu 21 Jan, 2010 05:02 am
The rest of the poem.

1Why dois your brand sae drap wi' bluid,
2Edward, Edward?
3Why dois your brand sae drap wi' bluid?
4And why sae sad gang ye, O?
5O, I hae killed my hauke sae guid,
6Mither, mither,
7O, I hae killed my hauke sae guid,
8And I had nae mair bot hee, O.

9Your haukis bluid was nevir sae reid,
10Edward, Edward,
11Your haukis bluid was nevir sae reid,
12My deir son I tell thee, O.
13O, I hae killed my reid-roan steid,
14Mither, mither,
15O, I hae killed my reid-roan steid,
16That erst was sae fair and frie, O.

17Your steid was auld, and ye hae gat mair,
18Edward, Edward,
19Your steid was auld, and ye hae gat mair,
20Sum other dule ye drie, O.
21O, I hae killed my fadir deir,
22Mither, mither,
23O, I hae killed my fadir deir,
24Alas, and wae is mee, O.

25And whatten penance wul ye drie for that,
26Edward, Edward?
27And whatten penance will ye drie for that?
28My deir son, now tell me, O.
29Ile set my feit in yonder boat,
30Mither, mither,
31Il set my feit in yonder boat,
32And Ile fare ovir the sea, O.

33And what wul ye doe wi' your towirs and your ha',
34Edward, Edward?
35And what wul ye doe wi' your towirs and your ha',
36That were sae fair to see, O?
37Ile let thame stand tul they doun fa',
38Mither, mither,
39Ile let thame stand tul they doun fa',
40For here nevir mair maun I bee, O.

41And what wul ye leive to your bairns and your wife,
42Edward, Edward?
43And what wul ye leive to your bairns and your wife,
44Whan ye gang ovir the sea, O?
45The warldis room, late them beg thrae life,
46Mither, mither,
47The warldis room, let them beg thrae life,
48For thame nevir mair wul I see, O.

49And what wul ye leive to your ain mither deir,
50Edward, Edward?
51And what wul ye leive to your ain mither deir?
52My deir son, now tell mee, O.
53The curse of hell frae me sall ye beir,
54Mither, mither,
55The curse of hell frae me sall ye beir,
56Sic counseils ye gave to me, O.


Edward seems to be a nasty piece of work. Kills his hawk, his horse and his father. he intends to go overseas leaving his wife and kids to beg for the rest of their life and leaving his castle to stand until it falls down. He then curses his mother to hell for her advice.

this is (apparently) a ballad (song)
Edward seems to me to be an English name rather than Scottish.

I wonder if Edward is of noble blood? the hawk and horse would be an indication that this is so. The poem is first published around 1765 (publication note) but much earlier. Was there an English king or Lord at this time?

I s this a lament by scotich people at the tyranny of England?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 21 Jan, 2010 05:10 am

I have never been a poet.
It seems to me that poetry is a way of expressing emotion
in an incomplete way, at the expense of soundly reasoned communication.

Too ofen it leaves the reader to guess what the author had in mind.
dadpad
 
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Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:12 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Too ofen it leaves the reader to guess what the author had in mind.


Poetry and song in the age of this poem were often used as a means of political subversion.
To criticise the king or another noble would be to risk a grave punishment if not death. however criticism could be achieved by hiding it within a poem. Mots people of that day and age would understand the references because of the context of the age they lived in.
we can only guess because we do not live in the context.

Did you know that the childs rhyme "Ring a ring a rosie" was referencing the plague in London
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:02 am
@dadpad,
dadpad wrote:

Quote:
Too ofen it leaves the reader to guess what the author had in mind.


Poetry and song in the age of this poem were often used as a means of political subversion.
To criticise the king or another noble would be to risk a grave punishment if not death. however criticism could be achieved by hiding it within a poem. Mots people of that day and age would understand the references because of the context of the age they lived in.
we can only guess because we do not live in the context.

Did you know that the childs rhyme "Ring a ring a rosie" was referencing the plague in London

Yes; "all fall down."
I remember kids doing that in the first half of the 1900s,
but not since then. Maybe thay still do, but I have not been looking at them.
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dlowan
 
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Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:22 am
@dadpad,
He's a noble all right...if we knew what hawk he owned, we would know his degree of nobility, as one was entitled to different species depending upon one's status.

I don't think he DID kill anyone except his father...he just says he has killed the animals to put off his mother...although from the conclusion of the poem (and from a sense that builds during the poem) that the mother has had a great deal to do with this killing.

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emshae
 
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Thu 21 Jan, 2010 10:09 am
@dlowan,
nope. didnt read the rest till just now. I got an A on it so thanks guys 4 the help.(answer)
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mesquite
 
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Fri 22 Jan, 2010 12:12 pm
@dadpad,
dadpad wrote:
Did you know that the childs rhyme "Ring a ring a rosie" was referencing the plague in London

Did you know that that was just an urban legend? Razz
chai2
 
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Fri 22 Jan, 2010 12:44 pm
I have 4 tattos on my face.

emshae
 
  1  
Fri 22 Jan, 2010 12:45 pm
@chai2,
that was random. what of??
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 22 Jan, 2010 12:46 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
I have 4 tattos on my face.
What r thay ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 22 Jan, 2010 12:47 pm
@mesquite,
mesquite wrote:

dadpad wrote:
Did you know that the childs rhyme "Ring a ring a rosie" was referencing the plague in London

Did you know that that was just an urban legend? Razz
It was historical.
emshae
 
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Fri 22 Jan, 2010 12:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
you write short hand y am i the one that gets yelled at??????
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chai2
 
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Fri 22 Jan, 2010 12:50 pm
@emshae,
2 eyebrows and 2 eyeliner lines.

I'm thinking of getting one of a big banana spider crawling over my jaw, towards my mouth.

What do you think?

 

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