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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

I don't think I made a statement. I was asking for clarification on an analogy.

You certainly did make a claim. You claimed that people stop the commission of crimes by waving a firearm about, and that they "do it all the time." That was completely irrelevant to a deconstruction of that analogy. It was egregious. It was a non sequitur, and it was a claim that should be challenged as lacking any substantiating evidence.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

It is completely false to attempt to claim that Heller will dismantle gun control laws.

I think he said that if the same 5 justices are on the SC when further GC laws come up, he feels that they will be dismantled one by one. He came to that point of view based on his reading of Heller.

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@Setanta,

If you read that post, I was explaining to Parados what I thought Merry Andrews analogy was saying.

This is all pretty easy to follow, I replied directly to every post I responded to.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

maporsche wrote:
I don't think I made a statement. I was asking for clarification on an analogy.

You certainly did make a claim. You claimed that people stop the commission of crimes by waving a firearm about, and that they "do it all the time." That was completely irrelevant to a deconstruction of that analogy. It was egregious. It was a non sequitur, and it was a claim that should be challenged as lacking any substantiating evidence.

And if it was irrelevant, then please, take a shot at dismantling MA's analogy. I asked him a question on what he meant. Parados responded with his view. I said that I thought he was wrong. He explained his view. I quoted MA's original analogy and reworded it to what I thought he meant to say (which is where you jumped in, seemingly not having correctly followed the flow of our conversation).

MA hasn't responded, so I still don't know what he meant to say.

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MA was repeating the old chestnut that dog bites man is not news because it happens all the time, but man bites dog is news because it rarely happens. Your analogy attempts to claim that crimes are prevented by waving a firearm around all the time, and that therefore, that is not news. However, you provide no basis for such a claim. It is known that dogs bite people on a fairly regular basis. Claiming that criminals are deterred by waving a firearm around cannot, however, be said to occur on a regular basis. If you want to make such a claim (or if Parados or anyone else does), you'll need to come up with evidence to that effect.

Otherwise, i'm calling bullshit.

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@maporsche,

The analogy derives from an old journalistic chestnut, and is not MA's production. The fault i am finding is in your attempt to equate dogs biting people (an assumed commonplace) with criminals being deterred by waving a firearm around, which cannot be considered to be a commonplace without proof.

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@Setanta,

Any hope of David explaining why the murder rate in the U.S. is so high in comparison to Canada?

(and why it's gone up most in the areas that were most against Obama in the last election)

or is he censoring his response?

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@ehBeth,

I would not hold my breath if i were you.

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@Setanta,

Whatever Set. I DID NOT make that claim. I was explaining what I thought MA meant with his analogy.

I do not know how often firearms are used to stop a crime (fired or not). I don't think I'm known for throwing things out as facts w/o providing some supporting evidence. I was merely trying to understand how MA's analogy worked in the context of the part of David's post he quoted. Please, notice the QUESTION marks that I used in that post.

But hey, argue with that strawman you built all you want.

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@Setanta,

Look at the part of David's post that MA quoted.

MA made that leap, not I.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Setanta wrote:
It is completely false to attempt to claim that Heller will dismantle gun control laws.

I think he said that if the same 5 justices are on the SC when further GC laws come up,
he feels that they will be dismantled one by one.
He came to that point of view based on his reading of Heller.

U have accurately expressed my articulated position
in this matter, Maporsche; beautiful job.

Mr. Tourette 's Syndrome was not able to read
that I said it was "in my understanding of HELLER";
I am very able and willing to support my understanding thereof.
I coud even take him out of the dungeon on furlo for that purpose,
but I doubt that he will be interested in debating that, beyond his brief spouting here.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Mr. Tourette 's Syndrome was not able to read
that I said it was "in my understanding of HELLER";

He does seem to be having trouble today. Hopefully everything is alright.

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@maporsche,

Then his reading of Heller is severely flawed, given that i have quoted the passages which make it clear the court's majority in this opinion have no such intentions.

I find it hilarious that Mr. Civility Personified whines about how others speak of him, referring to me as Mr. Tourette's Syndrome, and yet he trots out his hateful old bullshit about people who do not own guns cowering and begging for their lives on their knees. With I'mSickDavid, sauce for the goose does not make sauce for the gander.

And i certainly don't need snide remarks from you about what my abilities to understand are on this day, or any other. It's pretty damned laughable coming from the likes of you.

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@ehBeth,

Let me begin with an apology for my failure
to have replied to your earlier post. U made a reference
of which I am uncertain; I wish to identify the subject matter
of your inquiry more carefully b4 rendering a reply.
I did not mean to ignore your post and I hope that
u do not think me rude in reference thereto.

ehBeth wrote:

Any hope of David explaining why the murder rate in the U.S.
is so high in comparison to Canada?

I am not much of a statistician; that is my weak point. The best that I can answer
( politically incorrectly )
is that statistically, the vast proportion of the American murder rate
is attributable to the violence of one particular race
which (for historical reasons) is more present here than elsewhere
and that except for that, we woud not have a different rate of murder than is common elsewhere.
I have read that in the past.
I cannot attribute the source, tho I know that weakens my position on that point.

However, for many years, every morning Monday thru Friday,
I saw long daisy-chains of prisoners handcuffed wrist-to-wrist-to-wrist
on their way to arraignment; that observation supports this proposition.
Regardless of whether that is politcally correct (which I am not),
that is what I saw daily for years.

ehBeth wrote:

(and why it's gone up most in the areas
that were most against Obama in the last election)

I have no information about that; until I read your post,
I did not know of this happening.
Do u have a theory on this?
Do u think it shows something?

ehBeth wrote:

or is he censoring his response?

No; I was just slow; sorry.

I WILL address your earlier post.

David

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

And i certainly don't need snide remarks from you about what my abilities to understand are on this day, or any other. It's pretty damned laughable coming from the likes of you.

Meaning?

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Setanta wrote:
And i certainly don't need snide remarks from you about what my abilities to understand are on this day,
or any other.
It's pretty damned laughable coming from the likes of you.

Meaning?

Maybe he 's accusing u of being as bad as the rest of us.
Don 't take it personally, Maporsche; his posts have shown him
to be incapable of decency on a very chronic (permanent?) basis.

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This comes from the clown who sneers with those who disagree with his gun obsession by suggesting that they beg for their lives on their knees when confronted by a criminal. The clown has a damned strange notion of civility, and, in any event, doesn't apply the rules to himself, only to others.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

So, David, what did you think of Randolph Roth's research results?

I've been waiting for you to come back to this thread.

I have heard his presentation.
I have no opinion qua whether dissatisfaction and distrust of government
elevates the incidence of homicide.

I remember the week after 11/22/1963:
my friends were asking me if I just got back from Dallas.
I held the Kennedys and their staff in the most ineffable abhorence.
Every night was like hell, seeing the Kennedyites on TV,
discussing what thay were doing,
but it did not occur to me to commit homicide upon anyone;
no person of any description, including all private citizens.
As a matter of fact, I discussed it with the NY State Troopers
(referring to political assassination); I said that its just not worth it.

I had no respect for Clinton (and certainly not TRUST), but again:
it did not occur to me to take anyone out.

I can 't argue more broadly, beyond my subjective experience
qua Roth 's vu of dissatisfaction, for paucity of information.
He seems like a pleasant fellow.

David

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