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North Koreans in misery as cash is culled

 
 
Fyerio
 
Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 05:19 am
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6940482.ece


Shops and markets in North Korea have been closed and all cash transactions frozen after the Government’s shock announcement of a devaluation of its currency in an effort to crack down on the country’s burgeoning free-market economy.

In the capital, Pyongyang, yesterday only the few shops and restaurants permitted to trade in foreign currencies " patronised by the privileged elite and the city’s small foreign population " were open for business. All other enterprises and services based on cash, including markets, long-distance bus services, barbers’ shops, saunas and bath houses, were suspended until the revaluation of the won is completed next week.

There were reports of public outrage and confusion after the announcement of the measure, which requires North Koreans to swap existing won notes for new ones at an exchange rate of one to 100 " effectively knocking two zeroes off their value. Because of a cap of 100,000 won per family (£475 at the official exchange rate), anyone with significant holdings of cash will have their savings wiped out.

“Loud sounds of weeping in every house have not ceased since the news was released,” a South Korean website quoted an inhabitant of Sinuiju, a city on the border with China, as saying. “Weeping and fighting between couples has not stopped anywhere. The atmosphere of the city is terrible now.”

The website, dailynk.com, said that one elderly couple had killed themselves in North Hamgyong, a province adjacent to the Chinese border across which much illegal trading is carried out. It also reported anxiety among local officials that the currency revaluation would provoke civil unrest.

However, a Western diplomat in Pyongyang said that, apart from the closed shops, the announcement had had no visible effect. North Korea is one of the world’s most tightly controlled and brutal totalitarian states and public dissent is almost unknown.

The announcement was made on Monday via a closed-cable broadcasting system that is piped into all North Korean homes. It was not reported in the state media but was confirmed the following day in briefings to foreign diplomats in Pyongyang, who were summoned to the Foreign Ministry at 20 minutes’ notice.

“It came as a great surprise to everyone,” one Western diplomat in Pyongyang told The Times. “Everything closed " no notice given. When we made inquiries we discovered it was because the currency was no longer valid. It’s really quite dramatic.”

Households have been told that if they surrender their cash holdings this week, they will be given the new notes from Monday. Some reports suggested that, after protests from members of the elite, the limit on cash exchange had been raised to 150,000 won, and 300,000 won in bank deposits that would be made available after investigation into their source.

“One of the worries our North Korean staff have is whether they will have enough food to get through to next week,” the manager of a foreign organisation in Pyongyang said. “Our employees have access to foreign currency but most people don’t and they could be in trouble.”

The absence of commerce and its attendant clutter is one of the things that makes Pyongyang so unique among national capitals. Despite free-market reforms, most people still receive their basic food allowances from their workplace and, although there are shops and markets, they do not dominate, as they do in most modern cities.

The biggest shops, such as the No 1 Department Store, appear to be little more than showcases, intended to create a false impression of plenty and choice for the benefit of foreign visitors. The few examples of advertising to be seen in the city emphasise the absence of real capitalist activity. There are a handful of billboards for a car; a Fiat assembled under North Korean licence and never actually seen on the empty roads.

Small kiosks selling snacks and bottled drinks are to be seen along Pyongyang’s pavements. There are big markets, such as the one in the Tongil district of the city, where, in the past whisky, Japanese cigarettes and various goods imported from China could be bought, as well as food such as rice and kimchi (pickled cabbage); even dog meat. Yesterday, however, the Tongil market was closed " not because of any shortage of goods but because of the absence, for this week at least, of a currency.

The last time North Korea revalued its currency was in 1959. It changed its bank notes in 1992 but at a rate of one to one. As much as 300 won per person could be changed, with as much as 20,000 won accepted as savings deposits. In the end, though, much of that money was reportedly kept by the state-run banks.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 06:47 am
@Fyerio,
Its GOOD to not be a communist slave.





David
Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 07:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I think the proper definition would read more like this:

Quote:
Its GOOD to not be a fascist slave.


Marx would hate Dear Leader as much as he would hate modern day, bonus sucking CEO's. He actually would not see much of a difference.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 07:28 am
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

I think the proper definition would read more like this:

Quote:
Its GOOD to not be a fascist slave.


Marx would hate Dear Leader as much as he would hate modern day, bonus sucking CEO's.
He actually would not see much of a difference.
If I understand u accurately, u deny that the North Koreans are communists?
Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 07:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The term communism is a fake veneer that dictators and tyrants like to use to make themselves look legitimate. They can pretend they are actually working towards the good of the people. The point of true communism is to remove the ruling class and let people govern themselves as equals. True communism has never happened and never will - some people like to rule and some people like to be governed. Human nature will tolerate a certain level of socialism, mainly because it can benefit the individual in the long run, but few people are happy to be limited in their personal achievements. We like equality under law, but most people still feel best when they are driving the nicest car in their nieghborhood.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 08:13 am
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

The term communism is a fake veneer that dictators and tyrants like to use to make themselves look legitimate. They can pretend they are actually working towards the good of the people. The point of true communism is to remove the ruling class and let people govern themselves as equals. True communism has never happened and never will - some people like to rule and some people like to be governed. Human nature will tolerate a certain level of socialism, mainly because it can benefit the individual in the long run, but few people are happy to be limited in their personal achievements. We like equality under law, but most people still feel best when they are driving the nicest car in their nieghborhood.
I agree with a significant proportion of your observations.
U left out the loss of one 's property.
Everyone owns all property in the same sense that everyone owns the public streets.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 09:50 am

Its a real human tragedy,
based on bad luck in the geografy of birth.
Imagine how bad thay must feel, after having lead lives of gruelling oppression, terror n tyranny.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 09:54 am
@Green Witch,
In your mind, what is the distinction between communist and fascist ?
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 11:22 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

In your mind, what is the distinction between communist and fascist ?


I realize you addressed the question to Green Witch, David, but perhaps you won't mind my input. To me, the difference is mostly one of semantics.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 12:04 pm
@Merry Andrew,
I see nothing remotely communistic about N Korea, I see a dictatorship sans any political ideology.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 12:27 pm
@dyslexia,
I agree. But OmSig didn't mention Korea. He asked a general question. I am also assuming we are not speaking of Marxism but, rather, Lenin/Stalin type Communism.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 05:53 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

In your mind, what is the distinction between communist and fascist ?


I realize you addressed the question to Green Witch, David, but perhaps you won't mind my input.
To me, the difference is mostly one of semantics.
That 's how I see it, Andy.
There is a technical, theoretical difference qua title to property,
but nazis, fascists and communists all ultimate in despotic terror
in the name of the general well being and of the people as a whole,
with individuals being controlled in a totalitarian sense.
During the Korean War, we captured North Korean and Red Chinese POWs
all of whom carried pocket diaries for recording their daily thoughts.
Thay were required to think of the communist party and not sex.
Severe consequences resulted from a commisar 's
or political officer's, opinion that u were less than fully candid.

The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 06:25 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Code:The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
Apparently trained by HUAC.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 08:32 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Code:The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
Apparently trained by HUAC.


Nahh, if they'd learned their lessons in terrorism from the masters, they'd still be in business.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 4 Dec, 2009 07:56 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Code:The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
Apparently trained by HUAC.
I guess u think that 's funny, right, Dys ?
The efforts of HUAC and FBI were to prevent the commies from coming here
and subjecting surviving Americans to carrying the same kind of pocket diaries,
under the same socialist threat.

I guess u are trying to tell us which side YOU were on.




David
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 4 Dec, 2009 10:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

Code:The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
Apparently trained by HUAC.
I guess u think that 's funny, right, Dys ?
The efforts of HUAC and FBI were to prevent the commies from coming here
and subjecting surviving Americans to carrying the same kind of pocket diaries,
under the same socialist threat.

I guess u are trying to tell us which side YOU were on.




David
Yes david, it's true, I'm a card carrying member of the North Korean Communist Party. Our intention is to subvert the entire population of Lovington New Mexico and convert them from loyal Texicans to Pueblo dwelling communists who eat rice (when they can get it) our Motto is "Down with corn and Up with rice"
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 4 Dec, 2009 10:37 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

Code:The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
Apparently trained by HUAC.
I guess u think that 's funny, right, Dys ?
The efforts of HUAC and FBI were to prevent the commies from coming here
and subjecting surviving Americans to carrying the same kind of pocket diaries,
under the same socialist threat.

I guess u are trying to tell us which side YOU were on.




David
Yes david, it's true, I'm a card carrying member of the North Korean Communist Party. Our intention is to subvert the entire population of Lovington New Mexico and convert them from loyal Texicans to Pueblo dwelling communists who eat rice (when they can get it) our Motto is "Down with corn and Up with rice"
I suspected as much.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 4 Dec, 2009 11:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

Code:The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
Apparently trained by HUAC.
I guess u think that 's funny, right, Dys ?
The efforts of HUAC and FBI were to prevent the commies from coming here
and subjecting surviving Americans to carrying the same kind of pocket diaries,
under the same socialist threat.

I guess u are trying to tell us which side YOU were on.




David
Yes david, it's true, I'm a card carrying member of the North Korean Communist Party. Our intention is to subvert the entire population of Lovington New Mexico and convert them from loyal Texicans to Pueblo dwelling communists who eat rice (when they can get it) our Motto is "Down with corn and Up with rice"
[/quote[color=#FF4000]]I suspected as much.[/color]
David I had come to accept you much as one does the common "funny uncle" that one carefully watches at family gatherings to make sure none the the daughters/nieces get on your lap, but lately, I've come to realize that you are clinically psychotic and a dire threat to civil society. You're not funny any longer.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 4 Dec, 2009 11:15 am
@dyslexia,
I dunno, dys. I agree with you 100 % re: the pyschosis. This is much more than just eccentricity. But he's still funny. Well, most of the time.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 4 Dec, 2009 02:27 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

Code:The commies were true thought police; what a blight upon the world.
Apparently trained by HUAC.
I guess u think that 's funny, right, Dys ?
The efforts of HUAC and FBI were to prevent the commies from coming here
and subjecting surviving Americans to carrying the same kind of pocket diaries,
under the same socialist threat.

I guess u are trying to tell us which side YOU were on.




David
Yes david, it's true, I'm a card carrying member of the North Korean Communist Party. Our intention is to subvert the entire population of Lovington New Mexico and convert them from loyal Texicans to Pueblo dwelling communists who eat rice (when they can get it) our Motto is "Down with corn and Up with rice"
[/quote[color=#FF4000]]I suspected as much.[/color]
David I had come to accept you much as one does the common "funny uncle" that one carefully watches at family gatherings to make sure none the the daughters/nieces get on your lap, [u see how the gun control crowd always brings it back to sex; thay r single-mindedly obsessed with it] but lately, I've come to realize that you are clinically psychotic and a dire threat to civil society. You're not funny any longer.
Well, I 'm just glad that u have such good powers
of psychiatric diagnosis as to render them remotely, as u do.
Freud woud have been impressed with u, Dr. Dys.
Y, I 'll bet u can see deeply into the nature of people and events, right?
Do your voices tell u how to diagnose?

Concerning the humor: I bet that u r probably able to tune
your head directly into Johnny Carson, if u try.
Let us know how that works out.





David
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