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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 06:35 pm
ELCA NEWS SERVICE wrote:

August 21, 2009

ELCA Assembly Opens Ministry to Partnered Gay and Lesbian Lutherans
09-CWA-34-CA

Voting members prayed frequently during debate on the ministry policies proposals.

MINNEAPOLIS (ELCA) - The 2009 Churchwide Assembly of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) voted today to open the ministry of the church to gay and lesbian pastors and other professional workers living in committed relationships.
The action came by a vote of 559-451 at the highest legislative body of the 4.6 million member denomination. Earlier the assembly also approved a resolution committing the church to find ways for congregations that choose to do so to "recognize, support and hold publicly accountable life-long, monogamous, same gender relationships," though the resolution did not use the word "marriage."
The actions here change the church's policy, which previously allowed people who are gay and lesbian into the ordained ministry only if they remained celibate.
Throughout the assembly, which opened Aug. 17, the more than 1,000 voting members have debated issues of human sexuality. On Wednesday they adopted a social statement on the subject as a teaching tool and policy guide for the denomination.
The churchwide assembly of the ELCA is meeting here Aug. 17-23 at the Minneapolis Convention Center. About 2,000 people are participating, including 1,045 ELCA voting members. The theme for the biennial assembly is "God's work. Our hands."
Before discussing the thornier issues of same-gender unions in the ordained ministry, the assembly approved, by a vote of 771-230, a resolution committing the church to respect the differences of opinions on the matter and honor the "bound consciences" of those who disagree.
During the hours of discussion, led by the Rev. Mark S. Hanson, ELCA presiding bishop, voting members paused several times each hour for prayer, sometimes as a whole assembly, sometimes in small groups around the tables where the voting members of the assembly sat, debated and cast their votes.
Discussion here proved that matters of sexuality will be contentious throughout the church. A resolution that would have reasserted the church's current policy drew 344 votes, but failed because it was rejected by 670 of the voting members.
Pastor Richard Mahan of the ELCA West Virginia-Western Maryland Synod was among several speakers contending that the proposed changes are contrary to biblical teaching. "I cannot see how the church that I have known for 40 years can condone what God has condemned," Mahan said, "Nowhere does it say in scripture that homosexuality and same sex marriage is acceptable of God."
But others said a greater acceptance of people who are gay and lesbian in the church was consistent with the Bible. Bishop Gary Wollersheim of the ELCA Northern Illinois Synod said, "It's a matter of justice, a matter of hospitality, it's what Jesus would have us do." Wollersheim said he had been strongly influenced by meetings with youth at youth leadership events in his synod, a regional unit of the ELCA.
Some speakers contend that the actions taken here will alienate ELCA members and cause a drop in membership. But Allison Guttu of the ELCA Metropolitan New York Synod said, "I have seen congregations flourish while engaging these issues; I have seen congregations grow recognizing the gifts of gay and lesbian pastors."
During discussion of resolutions on implementation of the proposals, Bishop Kurt Kusserow of the ELCA Southwestern Pennsylvania Synod asked that the church make clear provision in its policies to recognize the conviction of members who believe that this church cannot call or roster people in a publicly accountable, lifelong, monogamous, same-gender relationship. A resolution that the denomination consider a proposal for how it will exercise flexibility within its existing structure and practices to allow Lutherans in same gender relationships to be approved for professional service in the church was adopted 667-307.
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Information about the 2009 Churchwide Assembly is at http://www.elca.org/assembly on the ELCA Web site.

For more information contact:
John Brooks, Director (773) 380-2958 or [email protected]
http://www.elca.org/news
ELCA News Blog: http://www.elca.org/news/blog


source: http://www.elca.org/Who-We-Are/Our-Three-Expressions/Churchwide-Organization/Communication-Services/News/Releases.aspx?a=4253

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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 06:40 pm
Don't worry, God will punish them for this.

She told me so just the other day.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 06:42 pm
Quote:
living in committed relationships
how is that determined and does it apply to heteros?
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NickFun
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 07:16 pm
I have heard that most of Jesus disciples were gay. How else could you get that many unmarried men together at that time? The Lutherans are scripturally correct!
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 08:12 pm
Back in the day when pagans were being converted to Christianity, making Saturnalia a Christian holiday (Christmas) and making the pagan holiday Easter a Christian holiday were great marketing efforts. Today, with no pagans to convert, but different denominations of Christianity are competing for the same base of Christians, this is a brilliant marketing effort, in my opinion.

Score one for the Lutherans.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 08:18 pm
@Diest TKO,
Bloody cool!


Good on them.

This isn't from The Onion, is it?
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 11:07 pm
@dlowan,
Nope. Horse's mouth. Note the source.

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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 12:41 am
@Diest TKO,
Next single folk!!!!
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 12:54 am
@dlowan,
Tell me about it...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 03:19 am
@Diest TKO,
That's something, the Evangelical Church in Germany* practised (more or less) since 2005.
*(That's the federation of two Calvinist, nine Lutheran and 11 United regional Evangelical churches in Germany.)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 05:26 am
@dlowan,
I have a friend who was there, and I've been reading about it in her Facebook updates... interesting! (She was a vote, I gave her my congratulations but if you want to too, I'll pass it on...)


edit: she was there but I'm not sure she's part of the "highest legislative body" -- maybe she is?? I'll ask.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 06:36 am
@sozobe,
Certainly, you can thank her for me. Next up is the battle in my local congregation. Maybe I'll forward you the email from our pastor. He's not a happy guy these days even though he is divorced and remarried. Forty years ago, he would have been tossed from the church.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 07:55 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

I have a friend who was there, and I've been reading about it in her Facebook updates... interesting! (She was a vote, I gave her my congratulations but if you want to too, I'll pass it on...)


edit: she was there but I'm not sure she's part of the "highest legislative body" -- maybe she is?? I'll ask.


Honey....anyone Lutheran who even supported this in thought deserves my congratulations.

Bless her cotton sockses.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 08:48 am
@Diest TKO,
Quote:
Pastor Richard Mahan of the ELCA West Virginia-Western Maryland Synod was among several speakers contending that the proposed changes are contrary to biblical teaching. "I cannot see how the church that I have known for 40 years can condone what God has condemned," Mahan said, "Nowhere does it say in scripture that homosexuality and same sex marriage is acceptable of God."

It's in one of those obscure books in the Old Testament. I think it's the Book of Laverne.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 09:43 am
Shirley not Laverne.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 09:50 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Shirley not Laverne.

Is that the Chapter on softball?

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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 01:01 pm
@Diest TKO,
No, it's about "Happy Days" spin-offs . . .
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 03:10 pm
@Diest TKO,
(I'm Lutheran. Can someone send Set a p.m. and let him know I'm gay. Thankyewverramooch)
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