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Each Player in Big Three Auto Makers to Bring Its Own Plan

 
 
Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 10:39 am
If GM intends to reduce their North American operations, including shutting more factories, why should tax payers pay them to eliminate more U.S. jobs?
---BBB


12/1/2008
Each Player in Big Three to Bring Its Own Plan
By BILL VLASIC
New York Times

DETROIT " The Detroit automakers have been lumped together for decades as the Big Three, and for good reason; their goals have usually been aligned.

But this week, as the automakers take a second run at Congress, hoping to persuade lawmakers to give them $25 billion in federal aid, their agendas are diverging as they contemplate futures as drastically different car companies.

Those differences will become clear as they deliver more detailed plans for how they would use that money not just to survive, but also to turn themselves around to be competitive in the long term.

That should make for a sharp contrast to the hearings two weeks ago, when the executives presented a united front, saying in lockstep that it was the credit crisis and weak economy, not their strategies, that had put them in dire straits.

General Motors, the biggest of the troubled car companies, is expected to propose a significant shrinking of its North American operations, including shutting more factories and streamlining its sprawling brand lineup, according to people with knowledge of G.M.’s deliberations.

One move under discussion, for example, would have G.M. buy out dealers that exclusively sell Saturns and market the cars through its Buick-Pontiac-GMC dealers instead, according to these people.

G.M. is also likely to propose moves that would require cooperation from the United Automobile Workers union, including delaying the company’s $7 billion payment to the union’s retiree health care fund.

The Ford Motor Company, however, is not likely to propose more cuts, as it is further along than Chrysler and G.M. in shifting to a more fuel-efficient lineup of vehicles. It also has more cash to weather the downturn. Instead, people with knowledge of Ford’s strategy say the automaker is considering more symbolic moves, including reducing the pay of its chief executive, Alan R. Mulally, who earned more than $21 million last year.

The third automaker, Chrysler, which is privately owned, has acknowledged it is running out of cash and may tell Congress that it needs a merger or alliance with another company to survive long term.

The U.A.W., whose members build cars for all three companies, is not involved in developing any of the plans, even though its political influence is a crucial factor in whether a bailout gets approved.

On Tuesday, G.M., Ford and Chrysler are scheduled to deliver separate aid requests to lawmakers, who will hold hearings on the plans later in the week.

The critical components in each of the plans will be how the companies expect to spend their share of the money, and what changes each automaker will make to shore up their faltering operations.

“We need to understand what this money is going to be used for and why it makes sense for the American people to invest in these companies,” said Senator Claire McCaskill, Democrat of Missouri, in an appearance on “Fox News Sunday.”

At the forefront is G.M., whose board began a two-day meeting on Sunday to complete its aid request.

G.M., which has lost more than $20 billion so far this year, is asking for up to $12 billion to keep its operations running through 2009.

The company has suffered a steep decline in revenue this year, in what has been the worst market for vehicle sales in the United States since the early 1990s.

G.M. has previously announced huge cuts, including a 30 percent reduction in white-collar costs and the elimination of health care for salaried retirees.

But the company, under the direction of its embattled chairman, Rick Wagoner, is expected to reorganize further to win over skeptical lawmakers.

People with knowledge of G.M.’s plans say the automaker may eliminate one or more of its eight domestic brands and downsize its manufacturing capacity to match its shrinking market share.

“It’s clear that G.M. has to shrink, but the bigger question is, How does the company change its structure and do business if it gets smaller?” said John Casesa, a principal in the automotive consulting firm the Casesa Shapiro Group.

The union’s president, Ron Gettelfinger, said Sunday that his members were prepared to reopen bargaining on terms of their contract. But he said the automakers needed to share in any sacrifice by limiting executive pay and other compensation.

“They need to establish that executive compensation is something that they’re willing to curtail, as well as bonuses and golden parachutes on exiting the business,” he said on the CNN program “Late Edition.”

During the first round of Congressional hearings on the bailout last month, Mr. Wagoner and his counterpart at Ford, Mr. Mulally, declined to say whether they would cut their salaries. Chrysler’s chairman, Robert L. Nardelli, said he would consider taking a nominal $1-a-year salary.

All three executives were also roundly criticized for flying to Washington on corporate jets. The companies have said that the chief executives will find other means of traveling to this week’s hearings.

While G.M. will lay out specific changes in its future business plans, Ford is expected to detail its efforts to transform itself from primarily a manufacturer of larger vehicles into a producer of smaller, more fuel-efficient passenger cars.

Both G.M. and Ford are using up more than $2 billion in cash a month, but Ford has greater cash reserves " $18.9 billion compared with $16.2 billion at G.M. " and a $10.7 billion line of credit from private banks to carry it at least through 2009.

Because it is in better financial shape, Ford is not asking for an immediate infusion of government money. Instead, the company will seek access to about $7 billion in federal aid only if its own cash runs out.

“Our position is different,” Ford’s executive chairman, William C. Ford Jr., said in a recent interview. “Our position is what we’d like to have is access to a line of credit if we need it. And we hope not to need it.”

Still, people familiar with Ford’s strategy say the company is mulling whether to offer concessions to gain Congressional support " including cutting Mr. Mulally’s salary.

Of the three automakers, Chrysler may have the most difficult case to make for government assistance.

Because its majority owner, Cerberus Capital Management, is a private firm, Chrysler is not required to make public financial data like revenue and earnings.

During the last hearings, Mr. Nardelli revealed under questioning that Chrysler was spending more than $1 billion in cash a month and had already studied the possibility of filing for bankruptcy.

In an e-mail message to employees last week, Mr. Nardelli said its explanation for how it would use $7 billion in government loans was a simple one. “In short, the money would be used to support our ongoing operations,” he wrote.

But to get support from lawmakers, Chrysler will probably have to open its books to Congress and lay out its longer-term business plans.

“We have to know what the financials are internally, particularly Chrysler, since it’s a private company,” Ms. McCaskill said.

Chrysler is expected to reiterate its overall strategy to pursue alliances and partnerships with other automakers to defray the costs of developing new vehicles.

The company had been in merger talks with G.M. until Nov. 7, when G.M. canceled the discussions to focus on its own deteriorating financial conditions.

People knowledgeable about Chrysler’s plan said Mr. Nardelli might suggest that a merger was still the company’s best opportunity to survive long term.

Executives from all three companies have said that setting a positive tone at the hearings is critical to winning support from lawmakers.

After coming to the previous hearings seemingly unprepared, the Big Three will go into detail on gains they have made in cutting jobs and plant capacity, developing more fuel-efficient cars and investing in alternative technologies like electric vehicles.

But the companies will mostly focus on their own efforts to change, rather than their collective transformation.

People close to the Big Three said there were no plans yet for the chiefs of G.M., Ford and Chrysler to share details of their testimonies with one another. And each company has been assured by Congressional leaders that any proprietary information will be kept confidential.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 10:47 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
If GM intends to reduce their North American operations, including shutting more factories, why should tax payers pay them to eliminate more U.S. jobs?
---BBB
Not sure I understand your point, do you have a suggestion for an alternative?
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 10:53 am
@dyslexia,
GM wants the bailout money to protect their non-north American operations, not the U.S. Let the foreign countries where GM has operations bail them out, not the U.S.

BBB

dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 11:04 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

GM wants the bailout money to protect their non-north American operations, not the U.S. Let the foreign countries where GM has operations bail them out, not the U.S.

BBB


well, the so called "bailout" is to be a structured loan not a give-away and “The only way to save GM is a massive restructuring, to tear the company in half and make it much smaller.”
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 11:12 am
@dyslexia,
I am going to puke if someone calls this a bail out one more time. It's not a bailout....it's a loan!
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 11:21 am
@Bella Dea,
amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 11:39 am
@dyslexia,
If GM can't repay the "loan", would you then consider it a "bail out"?

BBB
hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 12:08 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
no , it wouldn't be a bailout , it would be a simple LOSS ! (and a costly one at that !)

btw ford is now considering selling off it's volvo division .

i could never understand why GM , FORD and DAIMLER went on buying sprees rather than improving upon their products - they are paying heavily for it now !

i get a kick out of teasing my b-i-l in germany - a lifelong daimler driver - by telling him that he is really driving a 1/2 dainler-1/2 chrysler mongrel .
hbg

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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 12:30 pm
@Bella Dea,
Please, it's a bail out. Feel free to puke, god knows I am.

This bailout is the worst idea EVER. If congress approves of it I'll spit.
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 01:20 pm
AIG got a bail out. They are getting money thrown at them.

So, why shouldn't the autos?

If they go down, doesn't eveyone who opposes this loan know that it will affect the entire country?
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 01:21 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Please, it's a bail out. Feel free to puke, god knows I am.

This bailout is the worst idea EVER. If congress approves of it I'll spit.
yeah right.
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 01:34 pm
@Bella Dea,
AIG shouldn't have either.

ZERO BAILOUTS FOR ANYONE!
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 01:36 pm
@dyslexia,
I'll seriously spit. I'll drink a nice thick glass of chocolate milk, run a few miles with milk breath, and then hock a thick, chocolatly loogie right on someone's Chevy.

Oh, and then I'll make sure to not vote for anyone (including Obama) who supports this bail out or any other's like it. I hope more people join me.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2008 08:46 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Lawmakers and White House agree on auto aid plan
By Thomas Ferraro and John Crawley, Reuters
12/6/08

WASHINGTON " Congressional Democrats and the White House have reached agreement on emergency aid for U.S. automakers of between $15 billion and $17 billion, two senior congressional aides said on Friday.

The outline of the package was reached after auto executives pleaded with lawmakers for help and U.S. data showed employers axed more than 533,000 jobs in November, the highest monthly job loss in 34 years.

"Congressional Democrats and the White House have reached an agreement," a senior congressional aide said.

Another source said negotiators had "agreed in principle to moving ahead but details have to be worked out." More talks were expected on Saturday with Congressional votes on a bill next week.

The temporary funding amount is far less than the $34 billion in loans requested this week by General Motors, Ford Motor, and Chrysler, but it would keep them going into next year.

Daniel Weiss, a senior fellow with the Center for American Progress, said he expected Democratic lawmakers to seek more money for automakers after a new Congress meets and Barack Obama is sworn in as president on January 20.

"A short-term loan agreement is like putting a Band-Aid on a hemorrhage and they will still have to try and save the patient in January," said Weiss.

The automakers say they need help to survive a sharp downturn in sales fueled first by the credit crisis and now recession.

At hearings this week, many lawmakers were skeptical of the automakers' viability, arguing they had failed in the past to cut sufficient costs, ween themselves from making gas guzzlers and produce innovative cars consumers want to buy.

FUNDING TUSSLE

Earlier on Friday, U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi dropped her insistence that aid come from the $700 billion financial services bailout fund the Bush administration had refused to use for automakers.

Rep. John Dingell, a Michigan Democrat and long-standing ally of the auto industry, said in a statement the money would come from a $25 billion Energy Department loan fund approved in September to help auto companies meet new fuel-efficiency standards -- an idea the White House has promoted.

In a statement, Pelosi had suggested she could agree with that source of funds under certain conditions.

"We will not permit any funds to be borrowed from the advanced technology program unless there is a guarantee that those funds will be replenished in a matter of weeks so as not to delay that crucial initiative," she said.

Compromising on the source of funds would likely build bipartisan support in Congress for a bill that could be signed into law by President George W. Bush, a Republican.

"This is a good beginning. We will work with leadership to see that it becomes law. Then next year we will work with President-elect Obama for a permanent solution," Dingell said.

Resolving the funding source has been the biggest roadblock so far to reaching an aid agreement. While Democrats and Republicans have agreed broadly in recent weeks that conditions -- like limits on executive compensation -- must accompany any assistance, there are differences on other benchmarks as well as whether government should oversee any restructuring.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto declined to comment on any discussions related to the automakers' bailout.

Both Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in statements they expected to have votes next week on an automaker assistance plan.

DISASTER FEARED

Congress and the White House are anxious to prevent the threatened near-term collapse of one or more of the Detroit Three -- which directly employ 250,000 people.

"In the midst of the worst economic situation since the Great Depression it would be an unmitigated disaster," said Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, at a hearing with the chief executives from the automakers.

GM and Chrysler have asked for immediate loans to forestall possible failure, while Ford is asking for a $9 billion credit line that would be tapped later if necessary. GM wants $12 billion in loans, with $4 billion of that immediately, as well as a $6 billion credit line. Chrysler wants $7 billion.

Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli told Frank's committee on Friday the company needs $4 billion to run operations through March. Over the same time frame, GM CEO Rick Wagoner said his company needs $10 billion to keep going.

Ford CEO Alan Mulally said again in testimony his company does not immediately need to use federal funds.

The automakers said they were encouraged by the developments and the plans for votes next week.

Meanwhile, GM, Ford and Chrysler appealed to the Canadian and Ontario governments for billions in emergency loans against a backdrop of fresh layoffs at Ontario assembly plants. "We're fighting for our survival," said Reid Bigland, president and chief executive of Chrysler Canada.

(Additional reporting by John Poirier and Kevin Drawbauh, David Bailey in Detroit; editing by Tim Dobbyn and Todd Eastham)
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2008 11:42 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Problem is that if the Republicans vote against it, they are back to square one until the new Congress is installed.

BBB

BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2008 11:51 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Dec 5, 2008
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS - AP

WASHINGTON (AP) - The government would order a major restructuring of Detroit's struggling Big Three auto companies in exchange for a multibillion-dollar bailout under a plan circulating in Congress.

Skeptical lawmakers are weighing whether to dole out as much as $34 billion in aid to the automakers as the once-mighty companies make their second round of pleas for government help to keep them from collapsing by year's end and potentially deepening an already painful recession.

With several lawmakers in both parties pressing them to consider a pre-negotiated bankruptcy - something they have consistently shunned - members of Congress and the Big Three both were contemplating a government-run restructuring that would yield similar results, including massive downsizing and labor givebacks.

U.S. auto executives were appearing before the House Financial Services Committee for the second time to outline their plans for staying afloat with a government infusion.

The rescue, though, was facing fresh obstacles in Congress, with lawmakers still unconvinced they should support yet another bailout and congressional officials saying a leading proposal for helping the carmakers wouldn't come close to covering the cost.

"We're looking at a death sentence" for the auto companies, Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Senate Banking Committee chairman, said Thursday, pledging to try to help the Big Three. He quickly added, "I'm not a miracle worker and no one here is."

Finding the money was proving to be an uphill battle. Congressional budget analysts said one leading proposal - to use an already approved fund set aside for making cars environmentally efficient - would provide just $7.5 billion - a fraction of what General Motors Corp. (GM), Ford Motor Co. (F) and Chrysler LLC say they need.

Democratic congressional leaders are leaning on President George W. Bush to instead tap into the already enacted $700 billion Wall Street bailout fund to aid the auto industry, arguing that a carmaker collapse would have a devastating impact on the financial firms the program is designed to help.

The Bush administration has said it has no intention of doing so, arguing that the money was supposed to be for financial institutions, and instead wants to convert the fuel-efficiency money into emergency loans.

Auto state lawmakers are threatening to block the administration from accessing the second half of the financial rescue fund unless it comes to the aid of the Big Three.

And President-elect Barack Obama wasn't stepping forward with an alternative. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who has been dealing with both the financial bailout and the auto rescue proposal as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said Obama is "going to have to be more assertive than he's been."

Repentant after a botched first crack at bailout pleas, the companies' executives said they were willing to overhaul their companies and own up to past errors.

"We made mistakes, which we're learning from," GM chief Rick Wagoner said. Ford CEO Alan Mulally also acknowledged big missteps, saying his company's approach once was "If you build it, they will come."

"We produced more vehicles than our customers wanted, then slashed prices," he said. But as a result of these past mistakes, "we are really focused," he said.

United Auto Workers union President Ron Gettelfinger, aligned with the industry in pressing for the aid, told senators that any kind of bankruptcy, even a prepackaged one, was not "a viable option." Gettelfinger said consumers would not buy autos from bankrupt companies, no matter the terms of the arrangement.

He also warned that without action by Congress: "I believe we could lose General Motors by the end of this month." He said the situation was dire.

It wasn't enough for some skeptics.

"I don't know how they're going to make it," Sen. Richard C. Shelby, R-Ala., said of the automakers. "If they called this a plan to get money, the bankers all over the world would laugh."

Even sympathetic Democrats said it was difficult to find a way to help the Big Three with time running out on this year's Congress.

"Can it be done in the next week?" said Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind. "That's a tough lift."
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Associated Press writer Ken Thomas contributed to this report.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2008 12:08 pm
The biggest problem with the current congress is their ability to find ways to pass laws that are dumb and dumber like spending money on dumb solutions, but have difficulty with what are really important for the American People. Betcha dollars to donuts they'll end up passing legislation to bailout the auto companies with money that a) our country doesn't have, and b) they're shoving that money down the proverbial toilet, because there is no way to increase demand for cars in this economy.
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