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HOME DEFENSE:AMERICA v. ENGLAND

 
 
Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 05:11 am
THIS MAKES ME PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN !!!!!
(of course, I was proud to be an American before this anyway)

FROM WIKIPEDIA :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
Anthony Edward Martin (born 1944) is a farmer from Norfolk, England.
He is most notable for being convicted of the murder of Fred Barras,
a 16-year-old burglar whom he caught in his house. He was sentenced to life in prison,
but on appeal this conviction was reduced to manslaughter on
grounds of diminished responsibility, as the Courts accepted that
Martin suffers from paranoid personality disorder. His sentence
was reduced to five years, of which he had to serve three.
[emphasis added]

Martin is a cause célèbre for some as a result of his shooting two burglars who were burgling his home. Tony Martin's case attracted considerable media interest and polarised opinion in the UK to a greater degree than usual.[1] To some he is seen as a trigger-happy and unstable xenophobe, who willfully killed a fleeing boy using an illegally held shotgun.[2] To others, he is a wronged man and an example of how the British legal system punishes victims and rewards criminals.

In 1999, at the time of the event that was to make him famous,
Martin was living in an isolated farmhouse in Emneth Hungate,
Norfolk, nick-named "Bleak House". He claimed to have been
burgled several times, losing £6,000 worth of furniture. Martin
also complained about police inaction over the burglaries.
Police sources, however, have expressed doubts that all the incidents took place.[2]




Taken from Edgar 's thread:
http://able2know.org/topic/123139-3

ACQUITTED

LAREDO " A Texas jury acquitted a man accused of killing a child who broke into his home looking for a snack " a case that sparked outrage in this border city, where many thought the man should not have even been charged.

It took the jury of eight men and four women three hours Friday to find Jose Luis Gonzalez, 63, not guilty of murdering Francisco Anguiano, who was 13 when he and three friends broke into Gonzalez's trailer to rummage for snacks and soda one night in July 2007.

"I thank God and my attorney, the jury and the judge," Gonzalez said in Spanish after the verdict. "It was a case where it was my life or theirs, and it's a very good thing that they (the jurors) decided in my favor."

Gonzalez said he was sorry for the tragedy but "it was a situation in which I feared for my life."

Texas law allows homeowners to use deadly force to protect themselves and their property. In June, a grand jury in Houston cleared a homeowner who shot and killed two burglars outside his neighbor's house despite the dispatcher's repeated request that he stay inside his own home.

"I feel vindicated for Mr. Gonzalez and his family and for all of the homeowners and all of the seniors in Laredo," said Isidro "Chilo" Alaniz, Gonzalez's attorney. "This case has huge implications across the board. We always, always believed in Mr. Gonzalez's right to defend his life and his property."

Alaniz is running uncontested for Webb County district attorney in November.

However, Assistant District Attorney Uriel Druker maintained during his closing arguments that the case was not about homeowners' right to protect their property but about when a person was justified in using deadly force to do so.

"What really took place here was a case of vigilantism," he said after the verdict. "A 13-year-old boy was killed because a man was enraged."

Anguiano's aunt, who asked not to be named, said in Saturday's editions of the Laredo Morning Times that she was disappointed with the verdict.

"The state fought the case the way it should have," she said. "There was a sufficient amount of evidence, and I thought that some of the jurors would be a father or a mother, and perhaps they would think about this happening to them."

The 63-year-old Gonzalez had endured several break-ins at his trailer when the four boys, ranging in age from 11-15, broke into the mobile home in July 2007. Gonzalez was in a nearby building at the time.

Gonzalez went into the trailer and confronted the boys with a 16-gauge shotgun. Then he forced the boys, who were unarmed, to their knees, attorneys on both sides say.

The boys say they were begging for forgiveness when Gonzalez hit them with the barrel of the shotgun and kicked them repeatedly. Then, the medical examiner testified, 13-year-old Francisco Anguiano was shot in the back at close range. Two mashed Twinkies and some cookies were stuffed in the pockets of his shorts.

Another boy, Jesus Soto Jr., now 16, testified that Gonzalez ordered them at gunpoint to take Anguiano's body outside.

Gonzalez said he thought Anguiano was lunging at him when he fired the shotgun, claiming he feared for his life.

Many people in Laredo, where drug violence across the Rio Grande in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, defended Gonzalez's actions. In online responses to articles published by the Morning Times, comments included statements such as "The kid got what he deserved" and calls to "stop the unfair prosecution."

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 05:31 am
Noteably, when Tony Martin was sentenced to life in prison
for shooting a burglar, the sentencing judge characterized him
as being: " a danger to burglars " but thay meant that as if it were a BAD thing.

He shoud have gotten a tax credit for that, and a GOLD MEDAL
and a knighthood !

England used to be a better place.

George Washington and Patrick Henry were right !



David
Deckland
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 01:30 pm
Quote:
It took the jury of eight men and four women three hours Friday to find Jose Luis Gonzalez, 63, not guilty of murdering Francisco Anguiano, who was 13 when he and three friends broke into Gonzalez's trailer to rummage for snacks and soda one night in July 2007.


It's terrible for a young boy to die. If only they had respected other
people's property and didn't break in.
Looking for a snack ?
There was no food at home ?
Yeah right !
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 01:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I'd thaught, David, you could do better. At least give the facts correctly.


The jury who heard the Martin case, were advised by the judge they could return a manslaughter verdict, rather than murder, if they found the farmer "did not intend to kill or cause serious bodily harm".

They decided his actions went beyond appropriate self-defence: he waited with a loaded unlicensed shotgun in his remote darkened farmhouse; fired into the back of Fred Barras, the 16-year-old, which suggests he was running away.

He was convicted of murder and would have had to have served a life sentence, but for the intervention of the appeal court that reduced the charge to manslaughter, after evidence suggesting he was suffering from a paranoid personality disorder.

On 28 July 2003, Martin was released after serving over three years of his five year sentence, the maximum period for which he could be held following good behaviour.

Today, Martin is supporting the neo-Nazi British Nationalist Party.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 03:05 pm
@Deckland,
Quote:

It's terrible for a young boy to die.
If only they had respected other
people's property and didn't break in.
Looking for a snack ?
There was no food at home ?
Yeah right !

Yeah, thay were all so young, cute n naive, that thay did not care
about any idle cash lying around, nor any DVD recorders, thay only wanted CANDY.
I bet the D.A. came up with THAT one.





David
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